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The Presbyterian Church of [in] America on Genesis 1-3
sunandshield ^ | September 06, 2007 | PCA assembly

Posted on 01/25/2011 5:42:51 AM PST by Cronos

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To: Cronos

**the Assembly affirm that such diversity as covered in this report is acceptable**

Ya gotta love the Catholic Church because things like this are not stated and do not happen.


21 posted on 01/25/2011 6:50:11 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Cronos

Thanks Cronos and wideawake for your replies. I appreciate the debate, and the Presbyterian attempt to understand the different positions and interpretations.

I personally don’t have a position - there is too much that we don’t know...

I see “ And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.” and I see that from Day 1 it is legit to speak in terms of days and nights, from light to darkness and back again.

However, I see “And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:” and I think of the institution of a specific 24-hour duration assigned to a day/night cycle on day 4... but that is just an interpretation.

Again - I see why the PCA made the decision they did. Absent further data its hard to pin things down.


22 posted on 01/25/2011 6:50:30 AM PST by PoolQue ("The best government is that which governs least.")
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To: PoolQue; wideawake; Zionist Conspirator
Again - I see why the PCA made the decision they did. Absent further data its hard to pin things down.

Yes, the PCA has decided to not make a decision! That's the same position of Catholics, Baptists etc. too.
23 posted on 01/25/2011 7:10:37 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos
Please can you change this title from “Presbyterian Church OF America” to “Presbyterian Church in America (PCA)”?

Maybe you should request the category to be changed from "Other non-Christian" to "Protestant" while you're at it.

24 posted on 01/25/2011 7:46:22 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Cronos

Since I wasn’t there at the time, and can’t find anyone who was, or who knows anyone who was there, other than God Himself, I’m just going to put this on my list of questions to ask God when He gets around to asking me if I want to know anything.

This is on a long list of things that I believe God did and continues to do, but I don’t know how.

I wonder whose faith would be shaken if it turned out that “morning and the evening” were something other than 24-hour periods. I always had the impression that time was not something that really meant much to God, but as with so many things in my faith life, I stand to be corrected (by God, not necessarily by others on this site).


25 posted on 01/25/2011 7:51:20 AM PST by NCLaw441 (I before E except after C, or when sounded as A in neighbor and weigh. Isn't that WEIRD?)
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To: wideawake
*The Hebrew word for a 24 hour day is the same one used in Genesis
There was no Hebrew word for “24 hour day” - the word “yom” (day) means the period from darkness (usually sundown) to darkness, which varies from the strict 24 hour modern day in duration (sometimes noticeably) and also in structure.

The Hebrews did not count days from midnight to midnight and different rabbinical schools had different rules for when exactly a day officially ended.*

However, I believe they used the same word, yom, when they were referring to a normal day as was used in Genesis.

26 posted on 01/25/2011 8:08:17 AM PST by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: wideawake
I would also point out, ZC, that these are the “redneck” Presbyterians - insofar as the vast majority of their congregations and membership are located in the Deep South: the denomination started in Birmingham, is headquartered in Georgia and maintains a college in Lookout Mountain, GA.

I haven't been reading this thread. So are these "redneck Presbyterians" selling out to evolution then?

I know very little about Presbyterians. Here in my own rural Upper South county there is only one Presbyterian church--a Cumberland Presbyterian (whatever that means). Here we're mostly Baptist, CofC, and Pentecostal (with a United Methodist remnant hanging on apparently for reasons of family tradition).

27 posted on 01/25/2011 8:15:27 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayiqach sefer haberit vayiqra' be'ozney ha`am vayo'meru kol 'asher-dibber HaShem na`aseh venishma`!)
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To: wideawake
....these are the “redneck” Presbyterians - insofar as the vast majority of their congregations and membership are located in the Deep South....

Anti-Protestantism: the last acceptable prejudice among Catholics.

28 posted on 01/25/2011 8:23:45 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: PATRIOT1876
I believe they used the same word, yom, when they were referring to a normal day as was used in Genesis

Correct.

The "yom" of Genesis is considered to be the same unit of time as the "yom" used for counting the "omer" of Leviticus 23:15.

29 posted on 01/25/2011 8:27:33 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Alex Murphy; Zionist Conspirator
Anti-Protestantism: the last acceptable prejudice among Catholics.

I used scare quotes specifically because Zionist Conspirator (a proud, self-described "redneck") uses this phrase to refer to salt-of-the-earth conservative Southern Protestants.

As he will attest, it's part of a long-running commentary between him and myself.

There are plenty of "redneck" Catholics as well, and I much prefer their company to the common jaded, urban cafeteria Catholic of the Northeast.

30 posted on 01/25/2011 8:33:44 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Zionist Conspirator
So are these "redneck Presbyterians" selling out to evolution then?

There's no direct mention of evolution.

They are stating that a 6 day creation is an optional interpretation.

31 posted on 01/25/2011 8:35:21 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Alex Murphy; wideawake

Wideawake is one of the good guys, Alex.


32 posted on 01/25/2011 9:03:56 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayiqach sefer haberit vayiqra' be'ozney ha`am vayo'meru kol 'asher-dibber HaShem na`aseh venishma`!)
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To: NCLaw441

Since the bible IS the Word of God and he says he did it in 6 days, I have no question it was done in 6 days, 24 hrs each.

God Bless


33 posted on 01/25/2011 9:47:35 AM PST by Vegasrugrat
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To: wideawake; Cronos; Zionist Conspirator
Presbyterian Church of America

To add to the confusion, the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, founded in 1936, was originally named the Presbyterian Church of America. They were forced to change their name because of a lawsuit brought by the Presbyterian Church in the U.S.A, from which they broke away.

34 posted on 01/25/2011 10:28:21 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: topcat54

Perhaps the best commentary I’ve read on the Apocalypse of John is by G.K. Beale, an OPC elder.


35 posted on 01/25/2011 10:35:44 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Alex Murphy

Are you sure?


36 posted on 01/25/2011 12:04:36 PM PST by Cronos
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To: NCLaw441; Zionist Conspirator
NCLaw: Since I wasn’t there at the time, and can’t find anyone who was, or who knows anyone who was there, other than God Himself, I’m just going to put this on my list of questions to ask God when He gets around to asking me if I want to know anything.

Well spoken. We both believe that God created the universe and all that is in it.
37 posted on 01/25/2011 12:06:02 PM PST by Cronos
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To: Alex Murphy

As opposed to a lexical person whose only job in life is to post articles on each catholic in chatanooga and then cry?


38 posted on 01/25/2011 12:09:32 PM PST by Cronos
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To: NCLaw441; Cronos
NCLaw: Since I wasn’t there at the time, and can’t find anyone who was, or who knows anyone who was there, other than God Himself

Then His description of the events should be good enough for you.

39 posted on 01/25/2011 12:09:51 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayiqach sefer haberit vayiqra' be'ozney ha`am vayo'meru kol 'asher-dibber HaShem na`aseh venishma`!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Alex Murphy

Alex is a Presbyterian too — right Alex?


40 posted on 01/25/2011 12:13:55 PM PST by Cronos
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