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To: Judith Anne; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
What I mind is people who are baldfaced untruth tellers.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh . . .

Such as the Vatican AIWSOTARM claiming

1. that it existed before 300AD!

2. that Christ instituted the whole horrific farcical structure, organization, dogma . . .

3. that Mary was a perpetual virgin . . .
4. that Mary is Queen of Heaven . . .

5. that Mary is a Mediatrix between man and God . . .
6. that 'Mary vanquishes sin in every respect'

7. that 'No one can go to God without Mary drawing him'--supplanting the Holy Spirit in one of His major jobs.

8. that 'Mary, . . . destoyed sin . . . '
9. that THROUGH MARY Salvation was wrought

10. that 'Mary saves all the souls that entrust themselves to her care.'

11. that Mary 'belongs to the order of hypostatic union; hence she particpates IN the INFINITE SANCTITY OF GOD.'

Yeah, all those delusional lies and deceptions propagated by the Vatican for so long are quite hideous. Proddys and the authentic Heavenly Mary would be quite blessed to see them gone.

359 posted on 01/29/2011 2:26:42 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix; Judith Anne

Quix:

Lets start with your point #1. When did the CHurch of Rome [Vatican] start to exist. As someone of Italian ancestry, I find it the height of arrogance to suggest or imply that the Church of Rome was “Calvinist” or “Hyper-Calvinist” which I am beginning to think you are.

The Church of Rome was Catholic from the time St. Peter and Paul were martyred there. The writings of ST. Clement of ROme [4th Bishop], St. Ignatius of Antioch, ST. Ireneaus of Lyon in the late 1st and 2nd century confirm it. St. Cyprian of Carthage. Origen travelled and studies there in the early 3rd century.

The Council of Nicea [6th canon] which is in 325 AD, after your magic date when the “Vatican” appears cleary articulates The Church of Rome already has a Primacy in the Church.

So when did the Church of Rome [i.e the Vatican come to exists]. You seem to be wise 64 year old person [as you disclosed], which is about 20 years older than I am so maybe you can share your infinite wisdom on this question.


371 posted on 01/29/2011 3:28:19 PM PST by CTrent1564
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To: Quix; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand
1. that it existed before 300AD!

This point gets misunderstood because people start looking for a specific date that this occurred, but it was throughout the 300's that the RCC emerged as the dominant state church. Prior to Constantine the church in Rome was one among many. Christians were unified by a common faith. After Constantine you see force used on Christians by the Roman Church to enforce their will.

Also, through the course of the 300's you see the church in Rome go from being persecuted, to approved by the state and then the state religion. In the process the persecuted became the persecutors. Also, you see paganism "Christianized" and made acceptable in this church. This church became worldly and in the process you see worship of the Queen of Heaven become worship of Mary. Praying to saints became acceptable instead of praying to other gods. Babylonians would bow and kiss their idols and now this is done to statues of saints. The faithful began to be required to return to the priesthood for forgiveness and grace. These things were not acceptable in the pre-300's.

379 posted on 01/29/2011 4:48:47 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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