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Report: Leading Army Priest Says Chaplains Will Help Soldiers Accept Gay Lifestyles
Catholic Culture ^ | 2/18/11

Posted on 02/18/2011 8:43:24 AM PST by marshmallow

The deputy chief of chaplains of the United States Army told fellow army chaplains on February 17 that “the upcoming end to ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’ which will allow openly gay and lesbian individuals to enlist and for soldiers who have hidden their preferences to come out, if they want, means Army chaplains will have a major part in preparing the service to accept the lifestyles of some,” according to an Arizona newspaper’s summary of his remarks.

Father Donald Rutherford, a priest of the Diocese of Albany who holds the rank of brigadier general, reportedly added that “you don’t have to agree with them, you will respect them and help them.”

In 2003, Father Rutherford signed a petition calling for optional celibacy for priests.

Chaplain says don’t ask, don’t tell must be respected as the new law (Sierra Vista Herald)

Priest promoted to brigadier general (The Evangelist)


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: army; chaplains; dadt; homosexualagenda; military
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Or..........some chaplains may feel that this is not part of the mission of a Christian pastor and may resign their commission.
1 posted on 02/18/2011 8:43:28 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

That will pretty much end the LCMS relationship with the military.


2 posted on 02/18/2011 8:45:45 AM PST by scbison
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To: marshmallow

I know one.


3 posted on 02/18/2011 8:45:45 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: marshmallow

Like to hear them say that to the Muslim Chaplains.


4 posted on 02/18/2011 8:48:01 AM PST by AU72
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To: marshmallow

So, this “chaplin” will be advising soldiers to render unto Caesar that which is God’s. (”by their fruit you shall know them”)


5 posted on 02/18/2011 8:48:50 AM PST by circlecity
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To: marshmallow

Well, they did such a nice job telling the alter boys about the gay lifestyle, this should be a breeze.


6 posted on 02/18/2011 8:50:41 AM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: AU72
"Like to hear them say that to the Muslim Chaplains."

Great point. That is going to be quite an interesting dynamic. The DoD has gone out of their way with their Muslim outreach programs. But, even the most "moderate" Imam is exponentially more hostile to homosexuality than the most conservative of priests. There's going to be friction. It will be interesting to see how the DoD manages it.

7 posted on 02/18/2011 8:51:57 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: marshmallow

There’s already a shortage of chaplains.

I know one man who decided against joining the Army as a chaplain when he saw the writing on the wall with DADT. I suspect there are many others who have done the same.

He’ll find another way to serve our men and women.


8 posted on 02/18/2011 8:55:51 AM PST by Nickname
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To: marshmallow
Leading Army Priest Says Chaplains Will Help Soldiers Accept Gay Lifestyles

What? So now it's going to be MANDATORY to be gay in the military?

;-)

9 posted on 02/18/2011 8:58:39 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: marshmallow
There's a big difference between treating people (as people) in an amicable manner when they have done nothing offensive to you or others, and "respecting" a person's "lifestyle" when that "lifestyle" involves sexual perversion, which is disordered and abusive by definition.

Thi would be a wonderful teachable moment if this priest had some clue about what it is he's supposed to teach... :o(

10 posted on 02/18/2011 8:59:20 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin' " . --- Yogi Berra)
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To: marshmallow

Christian chaplains should have left the military when they were told not to pray in Jesus’s name. Homosexual tolerance and indoctrination shouldn’t be a problem for humanist chaplains peddling pop religion.


11 posted on 02/18/2011 9:01:25 AM PST by pallis
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To: marshmallow

For you non-Catholics, beware anything from Albany. It has been run by Bishop Hubbard who cannot claim the mantle “Catholic”, as he has long been destroying the Church from within, much like Wade Rathke, or Vann Jones, or William Ayers, or Rev Wright etal etal etal having been working to overthrow our nation. This priest is one of Hubbard’s progeny it looks like.


12 posted on 02/18/2011 9:01:57 AM PST by jobim
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Well said, Mrs. Don-o.


13 posted on 02/18/2011 9:04:40 AM PST by rlmorel (Now I have to change this tagline: "Weakness is provocative." Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: marshmallow

This is a prelude to a purge of the military. Those who will not re-enlist because of this will be prevented from doing so under the guise of “stop-loss”. Then brought up on charges and given a dishonorable discharge. Now which existing article of UCMJ will apply to exercise such a purge? Or will the UCMJ need to be changed.
Next - political commissars - zampolits.


14 posted on 02/18/2011 9:05:32 AM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO! I salute you with the soles of my shoes.)
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To: marshmallow
some chaplains may feel that this is not part of the mission of a Christian pastor and may resign their commission

Exactly.
ALL should do just that.

15 posted on 02/18/2011 9:05:49 AM PST by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: scbison

But doesn’t Christ say to love the sinner while hating the sin?


16 posted on 02/18/2011 9:09:46 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow
I went to originally went to seminary in the mid 90's to become a chaplain in the Air Force. I've been in 24 years now...and finished seminary in 2002 with my ThD. I did not enter the chaplain corps for this reason.

You do it and preach it the way they want...or you retire a Captain...if you retire at all...

17 posted on 02/18/2011 9:10:16 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: Nickname

It is amazing. Acceptance of the gay life in the military will doom the chaplain corp (the ones that really believe the gospel). Perhaps, all the chaplains will be from gay churches now. We are seeing our country destroyed from within. Obama is dancing in the WH.


18 posted on 02/18/2011 9:13:21 AM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: marshmallow

This “catholic” priest is not a Catholic at all.....he’s a dissident


19 posted on 02/18/2011 9:20:04 AM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: marshmallow; NYer
Father Donald Rutherford, a priest of the Diocese of Albany

One of Hubbard's boys ...

I'm shocked. SHOCKED, I tell you!

20 posted on 02/18/2011 9:24:14 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marshmallow
“you don’t have to agree with them, you will respect them and help them.”

By not telling them they are wrong they condone the behavior and the sin.

21 posted on 02/18/2011 9:27:28 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Salvation

Actually, Jesus never uttered those words and they are not anywhere in the Bible.


22 posted on 02/18/2011 9:30:16 AM PST by The Unknown Republican
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To: marshmallow
Unfortunately the ongoing revelation of sexual abuse by clergy illuminates how many gay or gay positive individuals have been allowed and perhaps even encouraged to enter the clergy. The end of any restriction on gays in uniform will encourage a migration of gay clergymen and women from all denominations into the chaplains corps. This will definitely be one powerful assist in making the armed forces a ‘gay positive’ institution as part of an on going campaign of using the armed services for social experimentation and implementation of various progressive ideas. The goal is to change the whole culture of the military until it is not military but uniformed enforcers of the state's will. This is not well understood by many traditional conservatives. The gradual but profound changes in the culture of the armed services has been underway since McNamara who deeply distrusted the traditional culturally conservative values that most officers subscribed to whether they were politically conservative or , as was not uncommon in 1960, moderately reformist liberals. We have traveled from the ‘officer as leader’ to the ‘officer as manager’ to sexual integration, importation of post modern legalistic norms of behavior versus traditional warrior/soldier ethics and have now arrived at the verge of women in combat units and the gay lifestyle openly encouraged. Tomorrow it will pressure from the political leadership enforced by complaint general officers to not tolerate but celebrate the gay lifestyle. The relentless pressure to make gays the next de facto protected class in uniform along with blacks and women will occur with concomitant pressure to make sure open gays are prominently featured in each officer promotion cycle. A significant part of the unstated reason for doing these things beyond the visceral dislike the left has for any traditional institution is to turn the military into institutions the left does not have to fear and ones that have been transformed slowly but profoundly from conservative to compliantly liberal irrespective of the views of individual officers and NCO’s. If the day ever arrives when the progressives need to use force to hold on to power they want to make sure most of the armed forces will execute their orders to fire on those parts of the nation and the people who are challenging the left’s grip on the state.
23 posted on 02/18/2011 9:33:19 AM PST by robowombat
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To: marshmallow

“you don’t have to agree with them, you will respect them and help them.”

Help them do what? Satisfy their perverted desires?


24 posted on 02/18/2011 10:16:06 AM PST by Levante
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To: marshmallow

If you parrot the military’s PC multiculturalism goals, you can be a Brigadier General too!


25 posted on 02/18/2011 11:00:51 AM PST by MayfairFly ("Your total ignorance of that which you profess to teach merits the death penalty.")
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To: pallis

This will lead to the end of the Chaplain’s Corps,which since the Revolution has worked to protect the religious rights of the enlisted. They will be replaced by secular counselors.


26 posted on 02/18/2011 11:12:21 AM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: pallis

This will lead to the end of the Chaplain’s Corps,which since the Revolution has worked to protect the religious rights of the enlisted. They will be replaced by secular counselors.


27 posted on 02/18/2011 11:12:34 AM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Salvation
But doesn’t Christ say to love the sinner while hating the sin?

You know, I keep hearing this spouted as if it's Scripture, but have never been able to actually find it in the Bible. It's a modern day, Lackadaisical invention.

If given the choice to love Christ (obey him) or "love" homosexuals in the way that they say they should be loved, what are we going to do?

28 posted on 02/18/2011 11:16:36 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: The Unknown Republican
Actually, Jesus never uttered those words and they are not anywhere in the Bible.

Thank you.

Add this one to the fiction list which includes, "God helps those who help themselves."

29 posted on 02/18/2011 11:18:24 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: robowombat
The goal is to change the whole culture of the military until it is not military but uniformed enforcers of the state's will.

You are so tragically right that it should bring tears to our eyes. If the most powerfully conservative bulwark against liberalism in this country has fallen, what else can stand against this enemy?

30 posted on 02/18/2011 11:21:20 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: Salvation; The Unknown Republican; fwdude

St Augustine wrote that phrase. He was showing how you can love your enemies which is what Christ taught. So it is from Christ as an analogy of the how to love your enemies. Love the sinner hate the sin. Of course it’s spiritual love not an unnatural.


31 posted on 02/18/2011 11:44:30 AM PST by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: johngrace
St. Augustine...was showing how you can love your enemies which is what Christ taught.

Who were Christ's most ardent enemies while he walked the earth? Without any doubt, the Jewish religious leaders ("the Jews," in most translations) were his enemies. And yet, Christ excoriated them time and time again, calling them snakes and vipers, whitewashed sepulchers, and sons of the Devil. Love? You betcha! Not the namby-pamby "love" that's so in vogue nowadays.

If we could only do as well in following His example.

32 posted on 02/18/2011 11:53:43 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: johngrace

Christ didn’t “teach” this. At best you can argue that Jesus showed grace and mercy to the lost. However, this phrase is horribly used as a mechanism to blunt condemnation of sinful behavior. Christ was very clear that “sin is sin” and that we are to turn from our sinful natures. We are under no command to welcome sinful behavior in those who relish in their acts. Christ’s command is to “go and sin no more”. We are to lovingly share the Gospel with the lost...but if people refuse it, we are perfectly justified in refusing to associate with them. Jesus said in Matthew 10:14-14 “If a village doesn’t welcome you or listen to you, shake off the dust of that place from your feet as you leave. I assure you, the wicked cities of Sodom and Gomorrah will be better off on the judgment day than that place will be.”


33 posted on 02/18/2011 12:00:11 PM PST by The Unknown Republican
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To: marshmallow

from tollerance we now have acceptance at the barrel of a gun.


34 posted on 02/18/2011 12:08:11 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: The Unknown Republican; fwdude; Salvation
Look I'm with you. It can be used wrongly. Tuff Jesus Christ love. I was pointing out where it came from St Augustine. I had a gay cousin who believed it was okay to be active. We would talk. But when he took drugs and started to steal from me I did not talk to him for years. I always prayed for him. He died in a Hospital confessing his sins with two clergy there one catholic another with the nurse's pastor. God is good. Do not give up praying.

Praise Jesus!!

35 posted on 02/18/2011 12:29:40 PM PST by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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36 posted on 02/18/2011 12:32:11 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: marshmallow

This is yet another reason that chaplains have become an anachronism of the military. Nobody wants them, nobody will talk to them, they are a waste of money. Defund the damn chaplain corps.


37 posted on 02/18/2011 12:36:35 PM PST by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: ichabod1

I’m sure that on the battle field, chaplains are in extremely high demand.


38 posted on 02/18/2011 12:39:31 PM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: marshmallow

Is the Diocese of Albany one with an Bishop who permits and promotes heresy?


39 posted on 02/18/2011 3:09:18 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: ichabod1

“This is yet another reason that chaplains have become an anachronism of the military. Nobody wants them, nobody will talk to them, they are a waste of money. Defund the damn chaplain corps.”

I can’t let this pass, so I’ll call you on it:

1. What are the other reasons?
2. Why doesn’t anyone want them?
3. Why won’t anyone talk to them?
4. Why are they a waste of money?

Standing by, thanks.

regards,


40 posted on 02/18/2011 3:29:29 PM PST by Thunder 6
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To: xzins

Chaplain ping.

regards,


41 posted on 02/18/2011 3:36:31 PM PST by Thunder 6
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To: The Unknown Republican; Salvation; fwdude

God Expects Us to Judge

“The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.” (Psa. 37:30) A righteous person will talk of judgment. He will not REFUSE to judge. He will talk judgment.

“Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph.” (Amos 5:14-15) How can you hate the evil and love the good if you refuse to judge? You can’t. You are SINNING when you refuse to judge.


42 posted on 02/18/2011 3:47:13 PM PST by aSeattleConservative ("...the American Christian ... would rather die on his feet, than live on his knees!" G. Washington)
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To: fwdude; Salvation
"And yet, Christ excoriated them time and time again, calling them snakes and vipers, whitewashed sepulchers, and sons of the Devil. Love? You betcha! Not the namby-pamby "love" that's so in vogue nowadays."

He also called on God to forgive them as they tortured him to death. The concept of loving the sinner is certainly biblical because that was Christ's whole mission and the concept of hating the sin was taught by Christ; so the love the sin, hate the sinner thing is absolutely biblical. I don't recall that is was originally posted by Salvation as a verse quote in the first place.

43 posted on 02/18/2011 7:43:09 PM PST by circlecity
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To: Salvation

“But doesn’t Christ say to love the sinner while hating the sin?”

Wouldn’t loving those sinners involve rebuking them?


44 posted on 02/18/2011 8:12:23 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

Christ rebuked the Pharisees, Sadduccees and scribes many times, but they did not hear or understand his words.


45 posted on 02/18/2011 8:15:43 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: circlecity
God also loves us by scourging us, which, in the original language, means stripping the skin off your back with a whip. And he often doesn't seem "loving" while he's doing this. Severe, but necessary for our perfection.

And, yes - this is love.

46 posted on 02/18/2011 8:19:58 PM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: Salvation

“Christ rebuked the Pharisees, Sadduccees and scribes many times, but they did not hear or understand his words.”

Seems likely that at least some of them did. How many sodomites might seek help if they were rebuked rather than celebrated?


47 posted on 02/18/2011 8:21:26 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: fwdude

Not arguments on that score. Actually, I wasn’t disageeing with your original point so much as showing both sides.


48 posted on 02/18/2011 8:31:20 PM PST by circlecity
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To: Thunder 6

1) Because the services are more and more secular, and the chaplains are often goofy liberal freaks. They are a joke.
2&3) They are like an old man with nothing to do just looking for someone to talk to, like you, and once they get started it’s hell getting them to stop. Or like Mormon boys on mission—one may think it’s a nice thing but YOU don’t want to stop what you’re doing to talk to them.
4) They are a waste of money because they’re unnecessary personnel and they aren’t interchangeable. What good is a homosexual episcopal priest to the Roman Catholics who need the Mass?


49 posted on 02/19/2011 11:30:56 AM PST by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: marshmallow

Or some chaplains will tell them that they are going to hell and that will be the end of the gay military. ;D


50 posted on 02/19/2011 5:09:26 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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