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21 Priests Suspended in Philadelphia
New York Times ^ | March 8, 2011 | Katharine Q. Seelve

Posted on 03/09/2011 6:16:29 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg

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1 posted on 03/09/2011 6:16:31 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

When is this nightmare going to end!?


2 posted on 03/09/2011 6:20:45 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: TSgt; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; the_conscience; Dutchboy88; ...
From the article...

"...At a minimum, the scope of the suspensions underscored the grand jury’s contention that the archdiocese had failed to clean house after a grand jury report in 2005 found credible accusations of abuse by 63 priests. And it suggested that potentially, predatory priests had had access to thousands of children for years..."

This story was on page 13 of the "New York Times."

Does anyone not believe that if this story had been "21 Baptist or Presbyterian or Methodist ministers suspended for sexual abuse in Philadelphia," it would be front page news instead of buried on page 13?

3 posted on 03/09/2011 6:21:49 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: SgtHooper

Who knows, I know I don’t.


4 posted on 03/09/2011 6:25:41 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Isn’t this the third time this has been posted already? Is it really necessary to post it again?


5 posted on 03/09/2011 6:27:02 PM PST by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I always wondered why anybody would continue to donate to the Catholic church, when a good portion of that money will probably have to go lawyers and victims of sexual abuse cases.


6 posted on 03/09/2011 6:27:57 PM PST by Ronald_Magnus
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Does anyone not believe that if this story had been "21 Baptist or Presbyterian or Methodist ministers suspended for sexual abuse in Philadelphia," it would be front page news instead of buried on page 13?

It wouldn't have been in the paper at all.

7 posted on 03/09/2011 6:28:12 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

When the majority of the recruits are homos how can we expect any thing but this kind of action from them?
I Timothy 4:1-3...forbidding to marry....is giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrine of devils.


8 posted on 03/09/2011 6:33:03 PM PST by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever!)
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To: Doulos1
I Timothy 4:1-3...forbidding to marry....is giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrine of devils.

Amen!

If things don't change, it's not wrong to conclude Rome wants it this way.

Only under wraps.

9 posted on 03/09/2011 6:35:17 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: samiam1972

No, this story hasn’t been posted. The number of suspended priests is quickly increasing.

That can only be good news.


10 posted on 03/09/2011 6:37:08 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Ronald_Magnus
I always wondered why anybody would continue to donate to the Catholic church, when a good portion of that money will probably have to go lawyers and victims of sexual abuse cases.

Exactly. Yet many in the congregation are told their offerings are not going to pay these abuse court cases.

When they find out they were lied to, they're understandably upset.

Just how upset is difficult to determine.

11 posted on 03/09/2011 6:39:32 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

***I always wondered why anybody would continue to donate to the Catholic church, when a good portion of that money will probably have to go lawyers and victims of sexual abuse cases.***

I do! In the 1930’s the communists sent 11,000 men to join seminaries and destroy the Catholic church. They pretended to be Catholics and went on to preach, and some became leaders. The church has suffered greatly. Christ warned us that we would be attacked. I give gladly to revive the church.


12 posted on 03/09/2011 6:44:34 PM PST by kitkat ( Obama: I sure HOPE that it's time for a CHANGE.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Okay. The title is almost exactly the same as two other articles. I did not check the content.

Good news, yes, as long as the accused priests are truly guilty and not just getting caught up in a witch hunt. I’m all for getting the homosexual priests out of the church so that the remaining 90-something percent of Catholic priests can go on with the amazing work they do without being afraid of false accusations.


13 posted on 03/09/2011 6:45:59 PM PST by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: kitkat
In the 1930’s the communists sent 11,000 men to join seminaries and destroy the Catholic church. They pretended to be Catholics and went on to preach, and some became leaders.

Do you have a source for this claim?
14 posted on 03/09/2011 6:48:56 PM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***Yet many in the congregation are told their offerings are not going to pay these abuse court cases.

When they find out they were lied to, they’re understandably upset.***

That doesn’t even make sense. Catholics want the mess cleaned up. And in all my years in the Catholic church I’ve NEVER heard a priest say anything like that.


15 posted on 03/09/2011 6:49:25 PM PST by kitkat ( Obama: I sure HOPE that it's time for a CHANGE.)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

***Do you have a source for this claim?***

Yes, it was right here on FR. You can find it under “Catholic” in the search engine.


16 posted on 03/09/2011 6:52:24 PM PST by kitkat ( Obama: I sure HOPE that it's time for a CHANGE.)
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To: kitkat

What’s with these so-called “gay” predators? Sure...being a homosexual is normal and acceptable. Sure..


17 posted on 03/09/2011 6:52:33 PM PST by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: hal ogen

Read my post #12.


18 posted on 03/09/2011 6:54:28 PM PST by kitkat ( Obama: I sure HOPE that it's time for a CHANGE.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

A celibate clergy makes no sense. What you end up with is a clergy dominated by men with a lot of baggage. Most normal men would not take up this vocation, while deviants would. The deviant feels that by taking the vow of celibacy he can be free of his deviancy, but it never works. It will always come out in the end. Back in the 50’s a friend of my father went to seminary briefly. He came back a told my father that the place was just full of homos.


19 posted on 03/09/2011 6:54:50 PM PST by gusty
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To: samiam1972; Dr. Eckleburg
Is it really necessary to post it again?

Every way possible to shine light on this problem is good.

The Church has to feel enough pain that they do what's right. The 'oh so open minded' among Catholics are destroying the Church. God can forgive these priests - but on this world, they need to be treated like the predators they are - and that includes jail time.

We all need to forgive those who have repented - but we can forgive them while they sit in jail just as easily as forgiving them while they play golf...

20 posted on 03/09/2011 7:01:01 PM PST by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - It's only uncivil when someone on the right does it.- Laz)
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To: GOPJ
Good post.

We all need to forgive those who have repented - but we can forgive them while they sit in jail just as easily as forgiving them while they play golf...

Amen!

21 posted on 03/09/2011 7:09:14 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: gusty

I’m sorry but this is a really odd thing to say. “Clergy dominated by men with a lot of baggage”. You do realize that over 90% of Catholic priests are NOT deviants, right? They are incredibly holy men devoted to their calling.


22 posted on 03/09/2011 7:12:01 PM PST by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: kitkat
Yes, it was right here on FR. You can find it under “Catholic” in the search engine.

I'm sorry...this just sounds like some kind of bogus claim. I'll keep looking.
23 posted on 03/09/2011 7:12:15 PM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: samiam1972
Isn’t this the third time this has been posted already?

The story three times, the identical news article only twice.

Well, twice so far anyway.

24 posted on 03/09/2011 7:15:50 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Does anyone not believe that if this story had been "21 Baptist or Presbyterian or Methodist ministers suspended for sexual abuse in Philadelphia," it would be front page news instead of buried on page 13?

Nope. It wouldn't have appeared at all. Your particular sect has less adherents nationally than there are Catholics in the New York Archdiocese. And there are sex abuse cases out there dogging the Presbyterian church. I could start linking to them for you, if you'd like.
25 posted on 03/09/2011 7:16:38 PM PST by Antoninus (Fight the homosexual agenda. Support marriage -- www.nationformarriage.org)
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To: gusty

You must have a Ph.D in psychology. That was absolutely brilliant psychoanalysis on the typical Catholic seminarian.


26 posted on 03/09/2011 7:17:11 PM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Antoninus
It wouldn't have appeared at all.

The story would have been front page news.

Twenty-one RC pastors suspended in one city! Rome outdoes itself.

27 posted on 03/09/2011 7:23:42 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: D-fendr

Well, I guess the goal here is to make sure than everyone in the world knows about it because there are never any jokes or snide comments about priests and little boys. I’m sure there is still someone out there that is unaware of the very small percentages of deviant priests.


28 posted on 03/09/2011 7:27:15 PM PST by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

‘Tis true, in the USA anyway. They are all very spoiled and privileged boys who never grew up.

In the ‘forties, they hid out in the seminaries to avoid the draft. While real Catholic men were fighting and dying for their country.


29 posted on 03/09/2011 7:29:57 PM PST by Palladin (Obama, go back to Hawaii! Better yet, go back to Kenya!!)
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To: samiam1972

Yep. Never miss a chance.


30 posted on 03/09/2011 7:33:06 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Twenty-one RC pastors suspended in one city! Rome outdoes itself.

As a Christian, you should be saddened by the disgrace of these men. You should offer to pray for those of us who are working to clean homosexual abusers out of the Catholic Church. Instead, you use stories like this to attempt to score points--as if God doesn't see what you're doing.

Even so, we still love you and are praying for you. And I will refrain from posting links to Presbyterian sex scandals because I do not revel and exult when I see a Christian--even one of my separated brothers--fall.
31 posted on 03/09/2011 7:46:30 PM PST by Antoninus (Fight the homosexual agenda. Support marriage -- www.nationformarriage.org)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

Here’s the link about Communist infiltration

http://genus.cogia.net/


32 posted on 03/09/2011 7:51:58 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG)
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To: Domestic Church

Many thanks! I’ll have to bookmark that for a later read.


33 posted on 03/09/2011 7:54:52 PM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

How many have been falsely accused? (There is $$$$ in it, and plenty of it.) We’ll never know. Remember the ‘recovered memory’ mania? This is the same.


34 posted on 03/09/2011 7:59:12 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Antoninus

I will stand with you, I do not revel and exult when I see a Christian fall and there are many more standing silently with you. It is one thing to express shock and sadness, it is another to relish rubbing salt into the wounds. Even if this turns out to be larger, there are saintly directives in what we need to do.

“What then should a Catholic do if some part of the Church were to separate itself from communion with the universal Faith? What other choice can he make but to prefer to the gangrenous and corrupted member the whole of the body that is sound. And if some new contagion were to try to poison no longer a small part of the Church, but all of the Church at the same time, then he will take the greatest care to attach himself to antiquity which, obviously, can no longer be seduced by any lying novelty.” (Commonitorium)

ST. VINCENT OF LERINS (400-450 AD) CONFESSOR OF THE CHURCH


35 posted on 03/09/2011 8:04:13 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG)
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To: Antoninus
You should offer to pray for those of us who are working to clean homosexual abusers out of the Catholic Church.

Working to clean up? Try they are forced to....they had many many years to clean up on their own.

a damning grand jury report issued Feb. 10 that accused the archdiocese of a widespread cover-up of predatory priests, stretching over decades, and said that as many as 37 priests remained active in the ministry despite credible accusations against them.


36 posted on 03/09/2011 8:25:12 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Revolting cat!
Remember the ‘recovered memory’ mania?

And that applies to the widespread cover-up over many years how?
37 posted on 03/09/2011 8:28:56 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

MSM lies? Well, not when it fits our agenda, right?

Let us say, hypothetically, that 25 priests have been accused. And let us say that among the accusers have been 50 false accusers. (This is, by the way, nothing hypothetical, the false accusers in all cases outnumber the accused priests.) What is then the moral scandal? You choose yours (the one that MSM chooses for you), I choose mine.


38 posted on 03/09/2011 8:37:40 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!
MSM lies? Well, not when it fits our agenda, right?

What agenda are you assuming I have?

What are you talking about MSM? I don't watch TV. You went from ‘recovered memory’ mania?, to MSM, to my agenda. What's next?

The Grand Jury's Report - did you read it? If you do, don't come back whining to me. I'm not the Grand Jury or the DA. Or don't read it - nothing will change either way.

39 posted on 03/09/2011 9:21:14 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Carpe Cerevisi
I believe this has been attested to by reliable sources.

One woman named Bella Dodd who had been the co-chairman of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA) testified before a house or senate committee in the late 40's that she had placed many men in the seminaries from the 20's on,they were to infiltrate the seminaries and consequently through the years,the Church. I believe the thought and intent was that by the 60's the Church would be destroyed from within.

She left the party and became Catholic.She wrote a book that is hard,but possible,to find,it was called "The Edge Of Darkness".

40 posted on 03/09/2011 10:00:56 PM PST by saradippity
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To: samiam1972

You might find this article interesting:

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=20565


41 posted on 03/09/2011 10:15:22 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Revolting cat!
How many have been falsely accused? (There is $$$$ in it, and plenty of it.)

Yeah, that's right. Blame the victim.

We'll never know.

Well, we'll definitely never know if Rome keeps covering up for these pederast priests and hiding them, supporting them and even promoting them.

42 posted on 03/09/2011 11:37:51 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Antoninus
As a Christian, you should be saddened by the disgrace of these men.

As a Christian, I am saddened for the victims and outraged at the pederast priests and the church that protects them. They belong in jail where they won't be able to further destroy childrens' lives.

43 posted on 03/09/2011 11:41:12 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Doulos1; All
What did Christ have to say?

Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of God. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it" (Matt. 19:11–12).

44 posted on 03/10/2011 1:04:45 AM PST by newzjunkey
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To: All; Ronald_Magnus
I always wondered why anybody would continue to donate to the Catholic church, when a good portion of that money will probably have to go lawyers and victims of sexual abuse cases.

There are over 410,000 Catholic priests in the world. What's the historical rate of involvement in these scandals? Between 1.5 and 5%, which is comparable or less among protestant churches and other groups.

Christian Science Monitor had an article on this very thing: Sex abuse spans spectrum of churches

Reality: you hear disproportionately about the Catholic Church scandals because the church is a very old, large, patriarchal force for morality and Christian tradition. The stories are perfect headline bait and further the progressive's agenda to undermine a conservative tradition rooted in moral absolutes with over a billion adherents.

45 posted on 03/10/2011 1:28:47 AM PST by newzjunkey
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

Please let me help you. Here’s the post on FR explaining my statement from the Communists
that:
“In the 1930’s, we put eleven hundred men into the priesthood in order to destroy the Church from within.”

Please notice that it says hundred, not thousand as I mistakenly reported.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/722955/posts


46 posted on 03/10/2011 2:18:16 AM PST by kitkat ( Obama: I sure HOPE that it's time for a CHANGE.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

He we go again, good grief!


47 posted on 03/10/2011 2:45:10 AM PST by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Prayers for the Archiocesse.


48 posted on 03/10/2011 2:50:19 AM PST by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
You hate the Catholic Church.

We get it.

49 posted on 03/10/2011 6:22:26 AM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: SVTCobra03

That was interesting and I suppose not too surprising. My first reaction was to thank God for Bishop Finn in Kansas City now. This weeding put process has been painful but is such a blessing. Imagine how much stronger the Church will be when the riff raff is gone.


50 posted on 03/10/2011 6:22:46 AM PST by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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