Posted on 04/03/2011 6:33:28 AM PDT by marshmallow
You have walked away unable to accept the hard saying. I have accepted to eat the real presence of the Body and Blood of Jesus.
Ann Rice claimed to have been converted to Christianity. It is becoming more clear that she was only pretending in an attempt to tap into the market for Christian fiction. Apparently, that didn’t pan out well for her, so she’s trying a different method of getting attention before the release of her next book.
So you've been defending sex abuse? Shame on you! (Certainly, it must be you, because no one else has.)
Ncal, just ingore Ignorant. Everyone knows he just making this stuff up. If he had any proof, he would have provided it instead of going all 7th grader on you.
What better place for a homosexual to go than the CC ? the priests don,t get married so it looks like a pretty good home for them, right up their alley.
Although the Bible talks a lot about priests,the new testament does not even make any connections as far as priests in the christian church, but only Apostles, bishops, and deacons, and the elders are what they are.
If the church would stop all of the phoney hog wash it would stop most of the abuse that is being talked about.
But most of the blame is the people, if they are not interested enough in the truth to read the Bible then they should not complain about the church.
People puts more faith in the church, than they do in Christ
and it is not just the Catholic church, i am not saying there are not any good churches, but all any one has to do is just read the gospels and acts and they should be able to see through all of this religious nonsense.
What better place for a homosexual to go than the CC ? the priests don,t get married so it looks like a pretty good home for them, right up their alley.
Although the Bible talks a lot about priests,the new testament does not even make any connections as far as priests in the christian church, but only Apostles, bishops, and deacons, and the elders are what they are.
If the church would stop all of the phoney hog wash it would stop most of the abuse that is being talked about.
But most of the blame is the people, if they are not interested enough in the truth to read the Bible then they should not complain about the church.
People puts more faith in the church, than they do in Christ
and it is not just the Catholic church, i am not saying there are not any good churches, but all any one has to do is just read the gospels and acts and they should be able to see through all of this religious nonsense.
Can,t people be brave enough to be Christians and do what Jesus ask them to do, such as do unto others as you would have them do unto you?
Why do they want to hide behind a church if they are so innocent?
How would any one feel if they were the object of waging mouths saying lynch him, lynch him? How many would be a part of a lynch mob if it were them that were to be lynched?
What is happening today is not about the offenders in the thread, many of them has no mind for Christ, they are just interested in the paid position they are in with life time benefits.
This is about people who are Christians like you and me, people who really believe that Jesus died for our sins,
So what are we going to do? rage like the heathen do?
Psalm 2
1Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Let us do unto others as we would have them do unto us.
Uh, did you forget about Paul? In the “Bible”, Paul had a lot to say about marriage and celibacy, didn’t he? I know I read it!
This idea of celibacy didn’t originate w/ Gnosticism. The Apostle Paul said something about it being better to marry than to “burn”. However, he said it was better to remain unmarried to be free to serve God more easily. You can look that up in “New Testament”, it is definitely there! I can’t remember exact book, page, or chapter.
He remained celibate himself (for all that we know)most or all his life. Furthermore, he encouraged those who were virgins or widowed to be celibate too; and several did. They did it by their own choice!
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
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Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
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One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
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(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
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Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
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Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
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Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
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Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
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And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
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Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
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Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
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For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
I don,t know what Pauls meaning was about celibacy but it contradicts most of what he says otherwise so most likely it was for some reason that is not clear, they knew what he was talking about, but you can see from the above scriptures he was not talking to the clergy. ( The church leaders )
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First,for clarity:celibacy is a discipline, not a teaching. There are several married priests and deacons in communion with Rome.
This is relevant to the Pauline quotes. Disciplines can change; “new occasions teach new duties, time makes ancient good uncouth.”
Second, it’s not YOUR argument, but the Gnostic argument amounts to: rectangles have four sides; squares have four sides, therefore rectangles are squares. Until the Meiji Restoration in Japan, zen monks were celibate, therefore until that time Catholic bishops were Zen Monks?
Third, the “celibacy makes a haven for homosexuals” argument runs into the fact that it is among several denominations which permit matrimony that homosexual activity and marriage are being legitimized.
YES, especially some years ago when candidates for ordination were slapped into seminaries as if into greenhouses when they were in their mid-teens, that culture could and did offer some pathological refuge to boys and men who were, um, conflicted about their sexuality.
But in the early 70’s there were many Episcopal priests and seminarians who were homosexual and who mingled in a culture that promoted matrimony.
It’s interesting: I knew personally two Episcopal bishops who studiously ignored serial heterosexual adulteries among their priests, and one seminary professor who preyed (or, at least, attempted to prey) on the female students. It was swept under the rug and he was later made a bishop.
I also know that NO practical advice, cautions, prudential wisdom were offered in seminary. When female parishioners started hitting on me at first I couldn’t figure out what was going on and then I was staggered! Fortunately I picked up that for some women a priest is kind of a challenge.
People are weird, gang, and none of us has too much of a clue.
People are weird, gang, and none of us has too much of a clue.
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