Posted on 04/03/2011 6:33:28 AM PDT by marshmallow
You have to understand, Mad Dawg, some people think that unless you get in a huff and start a new church down the street you approve of anything that happens. It’s a tough mindset to overcome for folks used to having arguments over the church picnic that end up with a group of folks leaving to start their own church around the corner after being asked to not bring pickled pigs feet to the picnic this year.
I think part of the difficulty is that psychiatric screening instruments aren’t all that effective. And I’m just guessing but I think the net capable of catching the predators would get a lot of innocents too. I don’t know how you solve it.
My problem with Catholics is that they are socialists. Why can’t they simply quit Catholicism and embrace a protestant denomination? To me, Catholicism is synonymous with Europe and Latin America and hence socialism. You must have seen the recent survey on the breakdown of the supporters of Sarah Palin as the GOP candidate for 2012. Her support among Catholics was among the lowest and they seemed to prefer RINOs to Palin. This does not surprise me one bit.
I tend to think this priest is innocent simply because he seems really teed off...which usually comes with being falsely accused. Also, it seems that this is the only charge against him and most sexual abusers are serial abusers.
The poor, crazy lady.
Instead of trading insults, why not deal with the real issue - Gnosticism.
The Gnostics had the belief that the world was created by a demiurge, the creator God of the Old Testament was not the true Father of Jesus, a different God the Father was. Moreover, the creation he created, with all its institutions like marriage, for instance, was bad also. One should distance himself from the “flesh” or the “world” created by the evil demiurge.
Early church fathers like Irenaeus wrote against all this, and there was a separation between the “orthodox” and the heretics. The trouble is, many of the basics of Gnosticism was carried over into the so called “orthodox,” or Catholic. Thus we see all these celibate monks out in the desert. That same Gnostic celibacy was ultimately ensconsed int the RCC, and has been there ever since.
The RCC celibate tradition is extrabiblical, Gnostic in origin, and does not belong in a truly Apostolic institution. It is absolutely atrocious what has been imposed upon these poor priests and nuns. It is no mystery as to why the RCC is frought with sexual moral failure. It’s Gnostic celibacy is what should be attacked, not these people who are victims of it.
I wonder what she has to say about all the Arab boys that are bonded into homo sex slave relationships? Probably not much as it’s safer to criticize an organization that values forgiveness and as quick to embrace pain as a cross to bear as opposed to a religion that will cut your head off for telling the truth.
Forgiveness isn’t the issue. It’s just as easy to forgive a person in prison as one who is living in a parsonage. If these men committed crimes, they need to be forgiven - but while they’re in prison.
The people who have consented to calling pederasty “jolly”, or some synonym of the word (sorry, I’ve misplaces my Roget’s), and everything that follows from it, like the acceptance of pederast parades down Main Street, and all other manifestations of mainstreaming of perversion, have the chutzpah to expect the Church to differ from the rest of the corrupt society, and observe another moral standard.
I have heard that her son is homosexual. Like many other Catholic Parents of children guilty of sexual immorality—she hates the Church for the unwillingness of the child to accept responsibility for his actions.The irony is that the crimes of these wayward priests were generally homosexual acts.
The desert monks were 1) not gnostics and 2) were imitating some of the Hebrew prophets, the Essenes, and John the Baptist—and, yes, Our Lord. He was a gnostic? He certainly lived a celibate life, living to early middle-age unmarried.
Haven’t you seen the recent conversion of several members of the Anglican Communion in Britain and parts of the rest of the world? Many if not most of them joined because of problems in the churches they left! Didn’t you notice that a few years ago, in the US, that Pope Benedict V1 was visiting w/many of the abuse victims and apologizing for what was done to them? Yeah, he met with groups of them, personally apologizing to them, praying w/them!
From what I read, many of them were glad he did, and were touched by his gestures for them! Gosh it would be nice if some people noticed what has been done to correct these wrongs and made/still trying to make them right!
Yeah, right, the Gnostics used the same justification for their celibacy you use, the Hebrew prophets and Jesus. Apples and oranges. Peter had a wife, the Apostles weren’t forbiden to have wives. The RCC is loaded to the water line with pagan and Gnostic notions.
Oh, so Catholics are socialists now, eh? You just got out your tar-bucket w/brush and painted all of us now! Well, I’m a Catholic, and I’m DEFINITELY NOT a socialist! Just put your tar-bucket away now! I and many, many other Catholics I know/know of, are not-and have never been Socialists!
Is there any truth to the rumor she is engaged to Charlie Sheen and will start issuing statements jointly?
You won’t accept this of course, since it is a Baptist scholar who said it, but here goes:
“Because gnosticism ultimately spread throughout the ancient world to become one of the most compelling philosophies of the first several centuries AD, it is natural that it exert a subtle influence upon orthodox Christianity. There can be little doubt that the contempt for the flesh which resulted in the asceticism, celibacy, and monasticism of the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD can be laid squarely at the feet of Gnostic influence.”
Uh, did you forget about Paul? In the “Bible”, Paul had a lot to say about marriage and celibacy, didn’t he? I know I read it!
This idea of celibacy didn’t originate w/ Gnosticism. The Apostle Paul said something about it being better to marry than to “burn”. However, he said it was better to remain unmarried to be free to serve God more easily. You can look that up in “New Testament”, it is definitely there! I can’t remember exact book, page, or chapter.
He remained celibate himself (for all that we know)most or all his life. Furthermore, he encouraged those who were virgins or widowed to be celibate too; and several did. They did it by their own choice!
There is no celibacy command for the ministry:
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife...
1 Tim. 2:2, KJV.
A minister can be unmarried, as Paul, or married. The Gnostics, however, add to what Paul said.
It’s understandable, the type of travelling rough and tumble ministry that Paul had, he would choose to be unmarried, but to a pastor/bishop overseeing a church of married couples, it seems assumed that they were, or should be, married, “the husband of one wife.”
Why?
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