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The Church Fathers- Mary: Ever Virgin
The Church Fathers ^ | 120AD-450AD

Posted on 05/31/2011 11:53:33 AM PDT by marshmallow

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To: Alamo-Girl; FARS; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; auggy; ...

BTW, FYI . . . on another topic . . .

I keep picking up other inputs from a diversity of sources that ‘festivities’ will start this month—June 2011.

Some are mentioning 14 June 2011 . . . who knows . . . and there’s no great convincing insight yet as to exactly what will kick things off . . . though, personally, I’d expect Jihadi nukes in some USA cities . . . I pray not.


FOLLOWING IS OF UNKNOWN VALIDITY/TRACK RECORD but resonates with a lot of folks I know:


A woman (Ruby) is reading a prophecy—in 2010—written down by Terry Burnet purportedly given to her by the angel Michael. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELrLxcnE9dw

The first date was June 2011 And the last date was June 2015. .
I wrote down 20 headlines:
. MARTIAL LAW ON THE NATION’S CAPITAL . . . IN NY CITY, PHILADELPHIA, LA, A NUMBER OF OTHER CITIES.
. RIOTING, LOOTING IN D.C.
SHAKING COMING IN WASH D.C.
AN EARTHQUAKE IS COMING TO THE NATION’S CAPITAL.
ANOTHER important headline . . . Resigning fever’s hitting D.C. Political people were resigning. .
Another headline was: WHO WILL PICK UP THE PIECES. People were unwilling to step into the offices.
. [Due to the economic situation]
. A lot of things don’t make sense to me before but are starting to make sense to me now. He builds one thing upon another.
. UNEMPLOYMENT SURPASSES 32% MORE LAYOFFS ARE EMINENT.
The Depression figure was somewhat in the mid 30’s (percent).

. THE EASTERN NATIONS OF THE WORLD CONTINUED TO PULL AWAY FROM THE UNITED STATES. THEY WERE UNWILLING TO WORK WITH US ANY MORE. CHINA PARTICULARLY.
. EUROPE WAS DOING MUCH THE SAME THING—BACKING AWAY FROM THE UNITED STATES because of what was going on in the U.S.
. PLUME CLOUD COVERS 50% OF THE NATION—A VOLCANIC CLOUD. I was convinced it was the Western half of the nation—I think there were 2. One in the NW of the Nation and one up in Canada.
. 4 or 5 years will determine the destiny of our Nation.
. There is a real need to be before The Lord.
. Our nation is in a desperate hour.
. 1. WASH D.C. SHAKEN, RIOTING LOOTING CONTINUE
. 2. EMERGENCY MEETING IN CONGRESS
. 3. GOVERNORS CALL FOR CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION
. 4. WORLD WIDE CONFERENCE TOWARD US AID REMAINS DIM
. 5. DOW SLOWS AND DROPS AT ALL TIME LOWS. OTHER MARKETS TUMBLE AS WELL
. 6. EMERGENCY MEETING OF ECONOMIC ADVISERS CALLED IN EUROPE
. 7. ASIAN MARKETS SEEK STATILITY WITHIN ASIAN REGION—PULL AWAY FROM USA BEGINS
. 8. MARTIAL LAW DECLARED IN D.C.
. 9. RESIGNING FEVER HITS D.C.
. 10. FINGER POINTING CONTINUES AND FUELS RESIGNATIONS.
. 11. WHO WILL PICK UP THE SLACK?
. 12. NEW PEOPLE’S PARTY GAINING GROUND WITH HEARTS
. 13. JOBLESS RATE SURPASSES 32% MORE LAYOFFS EMINENT
. 14. BIG FREEZE GOVERNMENT SPENDING HALTED AFTER 50% IT ALL CREATS RIOTS LIKE CRAZY
. 15. MARTIAL LAW DECLARED IN NY, LA, PHILADELPHIA
. 16. LIGHTS OUT ROLLING ELECTRICAL OUTAGES
. 17. HERE COMES THE SUN . . .
. 18. OH THAT I HAD WINGS THAT I WOULD FLY AWAY.
. 19. THE LIGHTS WENT OUT IN GEORGIA AROUND ATLANTA AREA . . . RIOTING, LOOTING . . .
. 20. THE DARK NIGHT OF THE SOUL—PLUME CLOUDS COVER HALF OF OUR NATION
. EVIDENTLY END OF TERRY B’S PROPHECY


And this just today from ATS:

of unknown trackrecord/validity

JUNE 14 2011?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread712235/pg1


1,181 posted on 06/05/2011 9:14:22 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: presently no screen name

I thoroughly agree with your excellent points.


1,182 posted on 06/05/2011 9:15:40 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom
Certainly, dear sister in Christ! For now, you might want to read 1113 and my reply at 1173.
1,183 posted on 06/05/2011 9:21:13 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix
Thanks for the ping, dear brother in Christ!
1,184 posted on 06/05/2011 9:22:10 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix
Mary has no power to protect, grant, give, or bestow. She is a human. The saints have no power either. Anything that happens through them, happens because Christ allows it to happen.
Do you REALLY BELIEVE that the above is the least bit congruent with the [Ferraro Quotes] below [MORE Quix commentary is below the familiar Ferraro quotes]?
I'm not familiar with Ferraro, but St. Louis de Montfort has said some things similar in The Secret of the Rosary. Mary, of course, can be powerful, but the powers come from Christ. Just like St. Michael the Archangel can be powerful, but his powers come from Christ too. This is a given in the Catholic Church. I've never met anyone of my faith that does not understand this.

Do you know of the Battle of Lepanto?
Knowing that the Christian forces were at a distinct material disadvantage [regarding Lepanto], the holy pontiff, St. Pope Pius V called for all of Europe to pray the Rosary for victory. We know today that the victory was decisive, prevented the Islamic invasion of Europe, and evidenced the Hand of God working through Our Lady. Link
What do you think of this? If Christ can work through Our Lady's rosary, why would the statements by Ferraro be that upsetting? Can't Jesus function as Lord and work through His mother and the saints as well? You seem to be limiting His powers, putting him on a tight leash so-to-speak.
1,185 posted on 06/05/2011 9:22:14 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: presently no screen name
The many many who have left that organization had good reason. But the catholic spin is ‘weren’t properly taught the catechism’. LOL!
You spend a lot of time laughing, but you don't seem all that joyful to me (especially when you leave rambling commentary). Anyone who leaves the Catholic Church is leaving Christ at the altar. Why would a Christian do that if they knew for certain He was there? And He is! That, in part, is why people tell you, you "weren't properly taught the catechism."
1,186 posted on 06/05/2011 9:37:40 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Amityschild; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
Just like St. Michael the Archangel can be powerful, but his powers come from Christ too. This is a given in the Catholic Church. I've never met anyone of my faith that does not understand this.

EXCEPT THAT

RC AFTER RC

RC DOCUMENT AFTER RC DOCUMENT

AFFIRMS . . . usually in rather global, emphatic, encompassing terms

VERY BRAZENLY OTHERWISE.

It saddens me to see you also, seem, now, to be speaking on two sides of the same issue.

It is utterly mystifying to most of us Proddys how y'all parade . . . in a sense . . . the Pope around stark naked . . .

all the time blathering on about what magnificent hand woven gilded robes he's wearing.

It just doesn't wash.

It's like 97.85% of the verbal, oral and written products of RC's on FR, those in our daily lives and those we observe in the media

BRAZENLY, GLOWINGLY, FAWN OVER, GUSH OVER, OBSESS OVER, WORSHIP IN EVERY MEANINGFUL SENSE OF THE WORD

this concocted caricatured ISHTAR-MARY goddess figure satan has successfully instaled in your organization and sub-culture.

And when Proddys go--WOW--look at the naked Pope!

Ya'll drag out some iconic word-smithed diplo-speak documents full of weasel words and weak sounding platitudes to use to INSIST that the 98.85% stuff we see all the time is somehow

NOT REAL!

IT WON'T WASH!
IT CAN'T WASH!
IT WON'T FLY!
IT CAN'T FLY!

It's deceptive, delusional horse feathers from hell pretending to be Biblical righteousness when it's the furthest thing from that--AND VERY BRAZENLY SO!

It's plain for a Ubangi in Africa; a headhunter in Irian Jira; a Chinese remote tribal group to spot from a thousand yards.

The only ones fooled seem to be the RC's in their mirrors.

My only comfort when viewing such is knowing that God in His mercy will somehow call all those WHO TRULY HAVE A HEART TO KNOW HIM AND HIM ONLY--TO HIMSELF.

Otherwise, the percentages of RC's joining some of their Popes and bishops in hell would be a frightfully high percentage above what's still likely to be a horribly high percentage--based on the brazen willful idolatry alone.

Holy Spirit is NOT AS INEPT as RC's and perhaps some Proddys hereon would sort of make Him out to be by silence.

I believe that Holy Spirit has been faithful to convice most RC's of their idolatries. And the result, instead of listening to His convicting still small voice--has been to fondle more beads; recite more mantras; increase the rituals etc.

That's NOT the proper thing when Holy Spirit convicts.

The proper thing is to say--Yes, Holy Spirit--I'm guilty. I repent. I confess you are right, Holy Spirit--I AM GUILTY OF ______________. I now choose to forsake it utterly. Please cleanse me from all such with the Blood of Jesus and create in me a clean heart and a right spirit. In Jesus' Name.

Rationalized weasel worded denial and self-justification based on !!!!TRADITIONS!!!! OF MEN AND DOCTRINES OF DEMONS will NOT land one in Heaven.

Y'all can posture and position and pontificate and rationalize and deny to me and other Proddys however much helps y'all sleep at night.

IT WILL NOT WASH STANDING BEFORE GOD.

THE AUTHENTIC MARY HERSELF WILL CONDEMN Y'ALL FOR EVERY LAST FOCUS ON MARY THAT CHRIST SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED.

I'd rather not be this blunt but time is running out. Y'all need to clean up y'all's spiritual acts and forsake layers of junk in behalf of an authentic RELATIONSHIP with the living God through Jesus Christ, His Blood--HIM CRUCIFIED and RESURRECTED! SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER INTERCEDING FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM.

Some of the RC's reading these words know exactly what I'm saying and further know it's the ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

But y'all have family; business relationships; social standing; comfort zones etc. etc. etc. and y'all can't imagine forsaking the steaming cesspools of idolatry and blasphemy for an authentic RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.

Y'all might well consider how much y'all will be enjoying doing back strokes in such a cesspool in hell.

NOW IS THE DAY OF SALVATION.

TIME *IS* RUNNING OUT.

Many will live to see the day when they will grasp their rosary beads trembling in the face of demonic forces and fallen angels and feverishly mouth the Rosary as a talisman to save them. And the fallen angels or demonized humans will take the beads and strangle the persons concerned. If the strangled person has not had their FAITH IN CHRIST ALONE, their destination will not likely be a pleasant one.

Let me warn again: NO OBJECT, NO RITUAL, NO WORKS will save anyone. CHRIST ALONE--HIS ATONING BLOOD ALONE IS THE ANSWER.

Gads I did not plan to say such things. Yet, I feel the fire of Holy Spirit within me as I type. TIME IS CERTAINLY RUNNING OUT. THERE IS NO LONGER TIME TO PLAY AT

RELIGION--OF ANY FLAVOR.

The issue, MLizzy, is NOT what God could do. The issue is what GOD CHOSE TO DO AND HOW HE CHOSE TO DO IT AND WHAT HE REQUIRES OF THOSE WHO SEEK AND LOVE HIM.

He did NOT establish a 2nd PHARISEES INC to further seduce the human race into MORE RELIGION vs RELATIONSHIP. He did NOT use Mary nor any other former or current mortal to do HOLY SPIRIT'S WORKS NOR CHRIST'S WORKS THAT WERE ASSIGNED TO THEM EXCLUSIVELY.

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD!
BLESSED BE THE WORD OF THE LORD!
BLESSED BE THE LORD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB!

Alamo-Girl, I have sometimes asked you to check with The Lord or your spirit to see if you sensed anything similar to what I was sensing and usually you aren't. Sometimes you do.

I'm a bit skeptical that you have begun to sense anything unusual this month in terms of an increased intensity in the spiritual realm. But maybe you have.

If you have not yet, I believe you will. PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU DO. My expectation is that it may start subtle or it may start strong. If it starts subtle, I believe it will quickly build to a very burning, strong sense--an undeniable burning in your spirit, in your soul--perhaps an excitement; perhaps an urgency; perhaps an anticipation--something that says--the curtain is about to go up on the next level of the END TIMES DRAMAS.

PLEASE LET ME KNOW when you detect anything significantly different from the last 6 months. Thanks in advance.

I realize that may not be your common experience. These are not common times and you will begin to have experiences and understandings, alerts and impressions in your spirit that you have never had. So will all those who truly seek to walk in INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.

All the more so if you have any influence with others.

1,187 posted on 06/05/2011 10:07:49 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: mlizzy
You got that right - I do spend alot of time laughing reading some of these posts! And it's coupled with thankful heart for God delivering me from such deception. So I have a good time thanking Him with the JOY of the Lord within.

Anyone who leaves the Catholic Church is leaving Christ at the altar.

A catholic talking point. And, surely, you don't think that would work on a Christian! LOL!

News Flash! Jesus lives within me and will never leave nor forsake me. And that's the way He wants it! I'm a temple of the Holy Spirit equipped with the power and authority It gives!

Praise God! Thank You God for Your Word!
1,188 posted on 06/05/2011 10:20:25 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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I'm a temple of the Holy Spirit equipped with the power and authority It gives!

Power and authority....hmmmm....what power, and what authority? Can you be more specific as to the nature of the power, and the nature of the authority you are equipped with?

1,189 posted on 06/05/2011 10:28:42 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Quix
But y'all have family; business relationships; social standing; comfort zones etc. etc. etc. and y'all can't imagine forsaking the steaming cesspools of idolatry and blasphemy for an authentic RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.

Matt 19:29 "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life".

He's faithful to His Word!

Gen 12:1 The LORD had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you".
1,190 posted on 06/05/2011 10:35:15 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Judith Anne

No, I will not be more specific. You’ll have to learn on your own like I did by seeking after I left the RCC.

Matt 7:7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.”


1,191 posted on 06/05/2011 10:43:45 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

That’s pretty much what I expected from your answer. In other words, nothing.


1,192 posted on 06/05/2011 10:49:27 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne

hmm..


1,193 posted on 06/05/2011 10:51:29 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: mlizzy
And He is! That, in part, is why people tell you, you "weren't properly taught the catechism."

The deceived on RF say that - no one in my real life says that to me - they want what I have now and not what I left!

Praise God! It's ALL about JESUS, The Word.
1,194 posted on 06/05/2011 10:53:29 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: D-fendr

Yep.


1,195 posted on 06/05/2011 10:54:08 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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So you have no desire to "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."?

That’s pretty much what I expected from your answer. In other words, nothing.

James 4:2 "You want something but don't get it. You kill and covet, but you cannot have what you want. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask God."
1,196 posted on 06/05/2011 11:03:50 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
they want what I have now

Oh yes, all that undefined power and unspecified authority from "It" as you call Him.

I don't want what you have.

"Who shall grant me to rest in Thee? By whose gift wilt Thou enter into my heart, and fill it so compellingly that I shall turn no more to my sins, but embrace Thee, my only Good? What art Thou to me? Have mercy, that I may tell; what rather am I to Thee, that Thou shouldst demand my love, and if I do not love Thee, threaten such great woe? Surely not to love Thee is already a great woe..."

1,197 posted on 06/05/2011 11:05:20 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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I don't want what you have.

I didn't say you did - why do you assume you are part of my real life? Wishful thinking?
1,198 posted on 06/05/2011 11:09:42 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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For, whosover asks will receive, he who seeks shall find, and to him that knocks, it shall be opened.

Yes, I am familiar with the scriptures, particularly the words of Christ, they are what led me to the Catholic Church. Particularly the sixth chapter of the Gospel of John...

“So you have no desire to “Ask and will be given...etc.?” I ask for very little:

Our Father, who art in heaven, Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.”

Power and authority are nothing. Unless of course you have a different definition of them, which you have refused to answer. Again, whatever it is you are claiming in the way of power and authority, I do not believe you. No post of yours that I have ever read would give me any desire to have what you say you have, given the way you have expressed that “power” and that “authority.” We who are His sheep know His voice, and if His voice were in your posts, we would have no questions. As it is, well....


1,199 posted on 06/05/2011 11:19:47 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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why do you assume you are part of my real life? Wishful thinking?

So, there is no person at all behind "presently no screen name"? Are you saying you are not real? That is something I might agree could be true...

1,200 posted on 06/05/2011 11:22:50 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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