Posted on 05/31/2011 11:53:33 AM PDT by marshmallow
The Protoevangelium of James
“And behold, an angel of the Lord stood by [St. Anne], saying, ‘Anne! Anne! The Lord has heard your prayer, and you shall conceive and shall bring forth, and your seed shall be spoken of in all the world.’ And Anne said, ‘As the Lord my God lives, if I beget either male or female, I will bring it as a gift to the Lord my God, and it shall minister to him in the holy things all the days of its life.’ . . . And [from the time she was three] Mary was in the temple of the Lord as if she were a dove that dwelt there” (Protoevangelium of James 4, 7 [A.D. 120]).
“And when she was twelve years old there was held a council of priests, saying, ‘Behold, Mary has reached the age of twelve years in the temple of the Lord. What then shall we do with her, lest perchance she defile the sanctuary of the Lord?’ And they said to the high priest, ‘You stand by the altar of the Lord; go in and pray concerning her, and whatever the Lord shall manifest to you, that also will we do.’ . . . [A]nd he prayed concerning her, and behold, an angel of the Lord stood by him saying, ‘Zechariah! Zechariah! Go out and assemble the widowers of the people and let them bring each his rod, and to whomsoever the Lord shall show a sign, his wife shall she be. . . . And Joseph [was chosen]. . . . And the priest said to Joseph, ‘You have been chosen by lot to take into your keeping the Virgin of the Lord.’ But Joseph refused, saying, ‘I have children, and I am an old man, and she is a young girl’” (ibid., 8–9).
“And Annas the scribe came to him [Joseph] . . . and saw that Mary was with child. And he ran away to the priest and said to him, ‘Joseph, whom you did vouch for, has committed a grievous crime.’ And the priest said, ‘How so?’ And he said, ‘He has defiled the virgin whom he received out of the temple of the Lord and has married her by stealth’” (ibid., 15).
“And the priest said, ‘Mary, why have you done this? And why have you brought your soul low and forgotten the Lord your God?’ . . . And she wept bitterly saying, ‘As the Lord my God lives, I am pure before him, and know not man’” (ibid.).
Origen
“The Book [the Protoevangelium] of James [records] that the brethren of Jesus were sons of Joseph by a former wife, whom he married before Mary. Now those who say so wish to preserve the honor of Mary in virginity to the end, so that body of hers which was appointed to minister to the Word . . . might not know intercourse with a man after the Holy Spirit came into her and the power from on high overshadowed her. And I think it in harmony with reason that Jesus was the firstfruit among men of the purity which consists in [perpetual] chastity, and Mary was among women. For it were not pious to ascribe to any other than to her the firstfruit of virginity” (Commentary on Matthew 2:17 [A.D. 248]).
Hilary of Poitiers
“If they [the brethren of the Lord] had been Mary’s sons and not those taken from Joseph’s former marriage, she would never have been given over in the moment of the passion [crucifixion] to the apostle John as his mother, the Lord saying to each, ‘Woman, behold your son,’ and to John, ‘Behold your mother’ [John 19:26–27), as he bequeathed filial love to a disciple as a consolation to the one desolate" (Commentary on Matthew 1:4 [A.D. 354]).
Athanasius
“Let those, therefore, who deny that the Son is by nature from the Father and proper to his essence deny also that he took true human flesh from the ever-virgin Mary” (Discourses Against the Arians 2:70 [A.D. 360]).
Epiphanius of Salamis
“We believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of all things, both visible and invisible; and in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God . . . who for us men and for our salvation came down and took flesh, that is, was born perfectly of the holy ever-virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit” (The Man Well-Anchored 120 [A.D. 374]).
“And to holy Mary, [the title] ‘Virgin’ is invariably added, for that holy woman remains undefiled” (Medicine Chest Against All Heresies 78:6 [A.D. 375]).
Jerome
“[Helvidius] produces Tertullian as a witness [to his view] and quotes Victorinus, bishop of Petavium. Of Tertullian, I say no more than that he did not belong to the Church. But as regards Victorinus, I assert what has already been proven from the gospel—that he [Victorinus] spoke of the brethren of the Lord not as being sons of Mary but brethren in the sense I have explained, that is to say, brethren in point of kinship, not by nature. [By discussing such things we] are . . . following the tiny streams of opinion. Might I not array against you the whole series of ancient writers? Ignatius, Polycarp, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, and many other apostolic and eloquent men, who against [the heretics] Ebion, Theodotus of Byzantium, and Valentinus, held these same views and wrote volumes replete with wisdom. If you had ever read what they wrote, you would be a wiser man” (Against Helvidius: The Perpetual Virginity of Mary 19 [A.D. 383]).
“We believe that God was born of a virgin, because we read it. We do not believe that Mary was married after she brought forth her Son, because we do not read it. . . . You [Helvidius] say that Mary did not remain a virgin. As for myself, I claim that Joseph himself was a virgin, through Mary, so that a virgin Son might be born of a virginal wedlock” (ibid., 21).
Didymus the Blind
“It helps us to understand the terms ‘first-born’ and ‘only-begotten’ when the Evangelist tells that Mary remained a virgin ‘until she brought forth her first-born son’ [Matt. 1:25]; for neither did Mary, who is to be honored and praised above all others, marry anyone else, nor did she ever become the Mother of anyone else, but even after childbirth she remained always and forever an immaculate virgin” (The Trinity 3:4 [A.D. 386]).
Ambrose of Milan
“Imitate her [Mary], holy mothers, who in her only dearly beloved Son set forth so great an example of material virtue; for neither have you sweeter children [than Jesus], nor did the Virgin seek the consolation of being able to bear another son” (Letters 63:111 [A.D. 388]).
Pope Siricius I
“You had good reason to be horrified at the thought that another birth might issue from the same virginal womb from which Christ was born according to the flesh. For the Lord Jesus would never have chosen to be born of a virgin if he had ever judged that she would be so incontinent as to contaminate with the seed of human intercourse the birthplace of the Lord’s body, that court of the eternal king” (Letter to Bishop Anysius [A.D. 392]).
Augustine
“In being born of a Virgin who chose to remain a Virgin even before she knew who was to be born of her, Christ wanted to approve virginity rather than to impose it. And he wanted virginity to be of free choice even in that woman in whom he took upon himself the form of a slave” (Holy Virginity 4:4 [A.D. 401]).
“It was not the visible sun, but its invisible Creator who consecrated this day for us, when the Virgin Mother, fertile of womb and integral in her virginity, brought him forth, made visible for us, by whom, when he was invisible, she too was created. A Virgin conceiving, a Virgin bearing, a Virgin pregnant, a Virgin bringing forth, a Virgin perpetual. Why do you wonder at this, O man?” (Sermons 186:1 [A.D. 411]).
“Heretics called Antidicomarites are those who contradict the perpetual virginity of Mary and affirm that after Christ was born she was joined as one with her husband” (Heresies 56 [A.D. 428]).
Leporius
“We confess, therefore, that our Lord and God, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, born of the Father before the ages, and in times most recent, made man of the Holy Spirit and the ever-virgin Mary” (Document of Amendment 3 [A.D. 426]).
Cyril of Alexandria
“[T]he Word himself, coming into the Blessed Virgin herself, assumed for himself his own temple from the substance of the Virgin and came forth from her a man in all that could be externally discerned, while interiorly he was true God. Therefore he kept his Mother a virgin even after her childbearing” (Against Those Who Do Not Wish to Confess That the Holy Virgin is the Mother of God 4 [A.D. 430]).
Pope Leo I
“His [Christ’s] origin is different, but his [human] nature is the same. Human usage and custom were lacking, but by divine power a Virgin conceived, a Virgin bore, and Virgin she remained” (Sermons 22:2 [A.D. 450]).
...as opposed to the traditional teachings of Rome. Mindful of the fact so often stated by some that if Rome doesn't say something is so, or not so, then the followers will abide by Rome either way regardless of the integrity of the scriptures presented.
All truth needed to believe the gospel and grow fully in grace is contained in Scripture.Nowhere in the Bible is abortion mentioned by name, yet Christ surely knew it would become the worst sin in America and the world today. And no one can grow fully in grace that believes in killing children before they are born. I, myself, carry a rosary with me pretty much 24-7, and I can't tell you how many times someone (usually a store clerk) has picked up my rosary when I'm at the register, commenting on its beauty (it's an enormously beautiful rosary), and then they follow that up with talking about Mary or Catholic schools, etc. or just how important prayer is in the world today. While I also wear a scapular, medals, and a cross at times (they've never once been commented on), it's the rosary that grabs the attention of others; it's Our Mother leading people to her Son.
That verse will carry no weight to catholics for they claim they do not bow or worship any idols...even with visuals that they indeed do, as well as their leadership, they will continue to deny this. As is typical with false religions they have acquired their tactics of twisting scripture and abusing verbage to call it something else entirely then what it is.
Fail.
Nice canard, though. That's not what's meant by Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura is the statement that scripture is infallible and inerrant; that scripture contains all of the information necessary to understand salvation... Nice try to warp the definition, though.
Hoss
Maybe that's not true with Catholics...LOL...
Could be that's where they got the idea of nuns...
Does the name of Jesus ever come up, or is your rosary leading these people to your Church???
People just don’t realize that the Rosary mysteries are about the Life of Christ, do they. We say the name of Jesus with each “Hail Mary”
Prayers for the unbelievers.
And good for you as you evangelize in this way.
Does the name of Jesus ever come up, or is your rosary leading these people to your Church???That thought never dawned on me, Iscool. I don't know if the people picking up my rosary (and there's been about six or seven so far) are even all Catholic. I never really asked, and I don't invite these folks to church or to pray either. One woman yesterday (before she checked out my groceries) picked up the rosary and said, "so beautiful, so beautiful," and put her hands together in prayer.
People just don’t realize that the Rosary mysteries are about the Life of Christ, do they. We say the name of Jesus with each “Hail Mary”Indeed, so true. Mary was there with Jesus the whole time. Some act as if she died in Childbirth.
Exactly..this is about the authority of scripture over” human “tradition and a declaration by the Catholic lead Prophet
Jesus does not have a goddess mother.. His holiness exists independently of Mary..
Jesus came into the world to be fully human and fully divine.. he needed a human mother to have that be true..
Jesus ate with sinners.. drank with sinners and chose sinners to be His disciples .. remember He touched the woman with the issue of blood? That would have made Him "unclean"
It is commonly believed that original sin is passed from the Father not the mother.. as it was Adam that sinned ..even though Eve first tasted the apple.. ..
Because Jesus did not have a human father he was born without sin .. so he was fully human but without sin..
God told Adam not to touch the tree. Maybe Adam told Eve. Maybe Adam was right there when Eve took the apple and did not stop her. The first sin was Adam's not Eve's.
Just a note to everyone, when the discussion degenerates to stuff like this,
“It is commonly believed that original sin is passed from the Father not the mother.. as it was Adam that sinned ..even though Eve first tasted the apple.. ..”
It is absolutely pointless to engage further. Please, I ask, get off the thread and stay off. It’s just ridiculous, and almost any post you make is going to be twisted. Do we enjoy this? No. Does it convince anyone? No. Even the lurkers are well aware of the idiocy. You may disagree, and I won’t comment further about it. Just that these are pointless, sinful, really stupid threads.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree [was] good for food, and that it [was] pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make [one] wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Genesis 2:15-18 15The LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. 16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, 17but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." 18Then the LORD God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him."
Apparently, Adam did not relay the instructions accurately, as Eve was under the impression that there were not even to touch it. Here she misquotes what God told Adam.
Genesis 3:1-3 1Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God actually say, 'You shall not eat of any tree in the garden'?" 2And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, 3but God said, 'You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'"
So, she decides to eat, with Adam there watching the whole scenario, not intervening.
Genesis3:6-7 6So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths.
Sin was not counted until Adam ate. Man is not as easily deceived as woman and therefore responsible for his household spiritually.
There are plenty of references in the NT which state that sin entered through the man, the first Adam.
Romans 5:12-21 12Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— 13for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. 14Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. 16And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. 17For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous. 20Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Canonized Scripture is quite clear that sin entered the world through man. Scripture that is considered to be infallible.
I have pondered it. Here:
http://catholiclane.com/two-josephs-both-alike-in-chastity/
and here:
http://catholiclane.com/perfection-joins-our-pilgrimage-in-mary/
Apparent satan wanted her to doubt what God said...he still uses this same tactic today, create doubt of the truth and once there it is a small step to add further to what God says....and I think he knew he had her in his trap when she added to what God said...this too happens when people follow false teachings...more and more gets added ..because the truth reveals the falsehood... so they have to keep inventing more and more and adding to their stance....until you have volumes of information to confuse and confound from the truth.
Eve was overwhelmed and deceived....on the other hand Adam deliberately took and ate fulling understanding that God told him not to eat. Sin came thru Adam...just as scripture states.
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