The Church Fathers- Mary: Ever Virgin

The Church Fathers ^ | 120AD-450AD

[marbren]

Thanks Quix, I do think though, in my experience, Mad Dawg is the only catholic that gets it on FR. You may know of others. I am just judging the fruit based on actions. There are several non catholics on FR that get it however. God Bless you for your efforts in getting people to think outside their boxes. Your FR style brings many smiles to my face.

[ctdonath2]

If you are going to insist Y is true because X is true, you’d better have some evidence that X is true - which is not explained with “because Y is true”.

[Quix]

[HossB86]

Then your "book" is in error. Words mean things, and don't mean other things. Ironic that you presume to lecture others on what words mean on this very thread.

Did you read the definition of the word "prayer"? Is the dictionary in error here?

Then by what right do you presume to advise others on matters of which you are clearly ignorant?

First, I wasn't "lecturing" anyone -- I was replying to a poster with whom I agreed. Your appearance in replying to me began the lecture. And, I believe (possibly erroneously -- the RM will make the call), you're making this thread about me.

Second, the right that I have to presume to do anything here is called, oh, I don't know -- freedom? Now... since this is a privately-owned forum, the owner or one of his agents can pull my posts if I violate his terms. Ignorance, of which you accuse me, wasn't on that list the last time I looked. But, since I'm registered, and thankfully have not managed to get zotted, I'd say that gives me the privilege to be here. Same as you.

Finally, I was not advising ANYONE on any matter - as I stated, I was replying to a post made by Metmom. If you perceived my statement to her to be lecturing or advising you, that's an issue with you that you will need to resolve.

Hoss

[Quix]

Thanks for your kind words.

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.
BLESSED BE THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB.

[papertyger]

Do you think God sees those who dodge providing examples of their errors?

[Quix]

You seem to bat sharp perceptive astuteness 100% of the time. Amazing.

I don’t often see others slice through so much blather so quickly and concisely.

[Religion Moderator]

Reading the mind of another poster ("you are clearly ignorant") is a form of "making it personal."

Making the thread "about" an individual Freeper is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

[papertyger]

So you’re saying Marbren isn’t a protestant?

Because clearly that is exactly what was done...

[papertyger]

Nonsense

Either the poster knows the matter under discussion, or they are feigning ignorance. There is no alternative.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your encouragements, dear brother in Christ!

[marbren]

I would recommend all catholics on FR who want to get it, to review conversations between Mad Dawg and Quix. Sure they disagree but they both get it.

IT BTW is the wisdom that comes from the relationship with and faith IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST not idols.

[Alamo-Girl]

You're quite welcome, dear brother in Christ! I'm glad you found it helpful!

[Iscool]

Furthermore, by saying made of a woman two errors are destroyed, namely, that of Nestorious saying that Christ did not take His body of the Virgin but of the heavens and that He passed through the Blessed Virgin as through a corridor or channel. But this is false, for if it were true, He would not, as the Apostle says, have been made of a woman. By the preposition “of” [ex] the material cause is denoted. Likewise, the error of Nestorious saying that the Blessed Virgin is not the mother of the Son of God but of the son of a man.

The way the story goes is that Nestorius said Mary was not the Mother of God...NOT that Mary was not the Mother of the Son of God...In fact, Nestorius knew that Jesus was the Son of God and that Mary was his mother...

I'm thinking Aquinas is embellishing the story some...And for more proof,,,

Moreover, although he might have said “born of a woman,” he distinctly says made, and not “born.”[1] Indeed, for something to be born it must not only be produced of a principle conjoined to it but be made from a principle separate from it. Thus a wooden chest is made by an artisan, but fruit is born from a tree.

Might have said 'born of woman'??? Where would Aquinas get this from??? Even so, Nestorius says 'made of woman'??? What's that mean??? That Mary drew a picture of Jesus and called the picture her son??? How does a woman 'make' a baby??? You ever heard that expression that a couple made a baby???

I think Aquinas is trying to start a fire just to see if it will burn...

Gack!Are you really suggesting that hanging out in Antioch guarantees they knew truth? This is like say because I live in NY I must know the complete list of laws of the state of NY

I don't really say it's the same thing at all...It's Antioch where people were first called Christians...It's where exploding Christian activity took off from...

AND, since Nestorius was obviously a Christian, that's a great connection...

Show us Nestorian writings that links them to the Apostles like writings of Saint Ignatius, Justyn Martyr and others?

And how do we know that these Gentiles and Egyptians are telling us the truth??? Oh ya, because they told us so themselves...

[papertyger]

If you are going to insist Y is true because X is true, you’d better have some evidence that X is true - which is not explained with “because Y is true”.

I didn't insist. Y was true. I'm insisting you can not deny X without denying Y.

[Quix]

INDEED.

However, you seem to be forgetting

The Vatican Cult’s

DIVINE RIGHT OF POWER-MONGERING AND LORDING IT OVER ONE AND ALL . . .

. . . And, some of the Stations of the Stations of the White Hanky . . . to wit:

1. ICON TO BEARING FALSE WITNESS
2. BLACK/WHITE ICON OF DUPLICITY, DOUBLE STANDARD DANCE

3. THE ICON OF THE IVORY HANDLED DAGGER—HONORING THE DOCTRINE OF—WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS—KILL THE MESSENGER.
4. ICON OF THE GOLDEN GYMNAST BACK-FLIPPER—TO HONOR THE DOCTRINE OF CHRONICALLY CHANGING THE SUBJECT

10. ICON OF THE 6.66” IVORY NOSE STUCK HIGH IN THE AIR—IN HONOR OF THE DOCTRINE OF HUBRIS TO THE SUPREME DEGREE

11. ICON OF THE GOLDEN GROPING HAND—GROPING FOR ANY EXPLANATION BUT THE TRUTH
12. ICON of the teak wood flip-flops from Hawaii in honor of the doctrine THE HOLY FLIP-FLOPS IN WORD MEANINGS AND ARGUMENTS

14. ICON of the gilded ivory halo in honor of THE FANTASIZED DIVINE RIGHT, TO BE CORRECT, PRISTINELY SANCTIFIED & PERFECTLY FLAWLESS IN ALL RESPECTS IN ALL CASES ALL THE TIME, REGARDLESS.

15. ICON of the marble bust of John SKerry in honor of the doctrine of CHRONIC & OBSESSIVE INCONSISTENCY.

17. ICON of the gilded ivory nose with olive branch surround in honor of the doctrine of THE UNDIVINE RIGHT OF TERMINAL SNOOTINESS TO THE MAX.
18. ICON OF THE SLIPPERY GOLDEN DANCE SHOES FOR DANCING THE RATIONALIZING-WEASEL-WORD-JITTER-BUG.

20. ICON OF THE GOLDEN THUMB SUCK IN HONOR OF RC’S RELIGIOUS DUTY TO BE TERMINALLY OFFENDED 24/7/365.
21. ICON of the silver figurine of the lofted tail of a skunk in honor of NAUSEATING NASTINESS in the faithful SERVICE OF the caricatured Magnificent Magical Mummy Ishtar-Mary.

24. ICON of the tiny gold Rube Goldberg Perpetual Motion Machine model in honor of The Vatican RELIGIOUS OBLIGATION of being Perpetually Offended.

27. ICON of the tiny golden whining siren in behalf of the sacred call to whine 24/7/365 or whenever within 200 feet of a Proddy.

[BTW, suggestions for additions are entertained]

[Quix]

GOD

does NOT have a poor memory to begin with!

[Religion Moderator]

If you said "I believe you are ignorant of ..." that would be expressing your own mind - but when you say "you are ignorant" you are reading the other Freeper's mind which is "making it personal."

[papertyger]

Did you defend your private definition of “blasphemy,” or not?

[Iscool]

Furthermore, by saying made of a woman two errors are destroyed, namely, that of Nestorious saying that Christ did not take His body of the Virgin but of the heavens and that He passed through the Blessed Virgin as through a corridor or channel. But this is false, for if it were true, He would not, as the Apostle says, have been made of a woman. By the preposition “of” [ex] the material cause is denoted. Likewise, the error of Nestorious saying that the Blessed Virgin is not the mother of the Son of God but of the son of a man.

The way the story goes is that Nestorius said Mary was not the Mother of God...NOT that Mary was not the Mother of the Son of God...In fact, Nestorius knew that Jesus was the Son of God and that Mary was his mother...

I'm thinking Aquinas is embellishing the story some...And for more proof,,,

Moreover, although he might have said “born of a woman,” he distinctly says made, and not “born.”[1] Indeed, for something to be born it must not only be produced of a principle conjoined to it but be made from a principle separate from it. Thus a wooden chest is made by an artisan, but fruit is born from a tree.

Might have said 'born of woman'??? Where would Aquinas get this from??? Even so, Nestorius says 'made of woman'??? What's that mean??? That Mary drew a picture of Jesus and called the picture her son??? How does a woman 'make' a baby??? You ever heard that expression that a couple made a baby???

I think Aquinas is trying to start a fire just to see if it will burn...

Gack!Are you really suggesting that hanging out in Antioch guarantees they knew truth? This is like say because I live in NY I must know the complete list of laws of the state of NY

I don't really say it's the same thing at all...It's Antioch where people were first called Christians...It's where exploding Christian activity took off from...

AND, since Nestorius was obviously a Christian, that's a great connection...

Show us Nestorian writings that links them to the Apostles like writings of Saint Ignatius, Justyn Martyr and others?

And how do we know that these Gentiles and Egyptians are telling us the truth??? Oh ya, because they told us so themselves...

Maybe the labels we give are man-made, but is the Church then man-made? No. It is Christ-made. Are all so-called churches Christ-made? Wouldn’t that mean all had been established in the first century? Is that the reality?

Jesus didn't establish a religious organization...Jesus established Christians who in turn are the church...