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The Church Fathers- Mary: Ever Virgin
The Church Fathers ^ | 120AD-450AD

Posted on 05/31/2011 11:53:33 AM PDT by marshmallow

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To: papertyger; marbren

Evidently only

in YOUR construction on reality.

Not in mine.


721 posted on 06/03/2011 8:25:47 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Religion Moderator

Understood.

Thank You.


722 posted on 06/03/2011 8:27:44 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Alamo-Girl

De nada.
Bu Xie.
You’re Welcome.

. . . Except of course . . .

when

you write a brilliant 1-3 starkly brief summary and I was wanting a 3 paragraph or 3 page treatise. Harumph! LOL.


723 posted on 06/03/2011 8:29:39 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

LOLOL! I’m a math geek at heart - simplify, simplify, simplify.


724 posted on 06/03/2011 8:31:31 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: marbren; Alamo-Girl

Am deeply humbled by your kind words.

BLESSED BE THE LORD GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB.

BLESSED BE THE WORD OF THE LORD.

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.

BLESSED BE THE RETURN OF THE KING.

ALL TRUE HOBBITS OF AUTHENTICALLY FURRY FEET AND FURRY HEARTS EAGERLY AWAIT AND CHEER HIS RETURN.


725 posted on 06/03/2011 8:32:39 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

If one says “proddy’s don’t do that” when that is exactly what a “proddy” did, what alternative is there...?


726 posted on 06/03/2011 8:33:09 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Quix

If one says “proddy’s don’t do that” when that is exactly what a “proddy” did, what alternative is there...?


727 posted on 06/03/2011 8:33:17 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Iscool

And because the

Magicsterical Committee of self-serving political power-mongers 300-400 years later said so.

barf.


728 posted on 06/03/2011 8:35:22 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Mad Dawg
All we ask her for are her prayers, while at other times (scattered lightly in the daily prayers of Catholics) we ask God to hear Mary's prayers.

There have been countless pages posted where it is shown that many Catholics, clergy included pray to Mary and ask her to provide Grace, Salvation, health, wealth and healing and many numbers of things which can only come from God...

So how could you make such a statement that all you ask of Mary is to convey a prayer to Jesus???

729 posted on 06/03/2011 8:38:22 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Quix

Unbiblical my patoot. “Pray thee” is straight out of the Bible.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=pray&t=KJV

Is Abram an idolater “praying to” Lot? Sarah an idolatress “praying to” Abram?


730 posted on 06/03/2011 8:42:31 AM PDT by Claud
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To: papertyger; Quix

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. You’re insisting I’m at fault because, for lack of extraordinary proof, I dare deny the extraordinary claim.

Fair disclosure: I contend that proper doctrine is explainable and sensible thru mundane interpretations.
For example: Occam’s Razor indicates that Mary was just what we would consider a “good girl”, seeking a normal and proper relationship with Joseph, and by Biblical miracle conceived before *ahem* knowing Joseph, then indeed did so after birth (as there are references to their other children); in order to achieve this thread’s claim, every single factor would have to be extraordinarily different - hence my previous comment, which Quix nicely rendered. The extraordinary claim is not essential, therefore the claim of extraordinary supporting factors is in severe doubt as the mundane explanation provides a sensible conclusion, to wit: the extraordinary claim is incorrect.


731 posted on 06/03/2011 8:43:16 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: papertyger

What makes you think Y is true? There is no evidence. X is an assertion without basis.


732 posted on 06/03/2011 8:45:58 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: vladimir998

Hello vladimir998

I love your passion. This is a Catholic post and you are convinced the Catholics are the true church and others have strayed. I have no quarrel with your heart felt convictions on that.

The root meaning for “church” is a called out assembly. As for the Christ-made church, she is composed of those Christ has called out to Himself - His body. And believers have affliliated themselves as Catholics (Greek, Roman), Lutherans, Baptists, Methodist, ... and even Presbyterians.

In the Old Testament, God’s people were saved by faith - looking forward to Christ. (Jesus said Abraham saw His day and was glad.) In the first century to the twenty-first, we look back to Christ and are saved by faith in him.

Our doctrine is indeed based on Christ and the Apostles. And as one who takes authority from Holy Scriptures, we all can thank the Catholics for putting it all together for us.

If we all were perfect, we wouldn’t be so divided and quarrel like we do. But in Heaven ... we all with agree and be with Jesus forever.


733 posted on 06/03/2011 8:46:16 AM PDT by NEWwoman (God Bless America)
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To: Iscool
Jesus didn't establish a religious organization...Jesus established Christians who in turn are the church...

Dude, read a bible once in a while.

I'm constantly amazed by the idiotic prattle that is directly contrary to scripture one can get away with by claiming ones own interpretation of scripture to be authoritative.

734 posted on 06/03/2011 8:47:11 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Alamo-Girl

And I’m a Mars Hill Pauline addict at heart . . . sort of . . . not really . . . in spiritual terms . . . just in rambling complex sentences ad nauseum and all over the country-side sense.

I love to tease things out to the nth degree to be sure it’s all covered slightly to much more adequately LOL

. . . such that . . . the reader is left with few lingering questions . . . LOL or with niggling questions which will provoke fruitful thinking.


735 posted on 06/03/2011 8:49:42 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Alamo-Girl

I do appreciate you saying that. I should keep that in mind.

Sometimes my insecurities convince me you were being terse for some stern warranted reason on my part. Sigh.


736 posted on 06/03/2011 8:50:40 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: papertyger

It is brash and all inclusive of me to say Proddys don’t do XYZ ever at all.

However, on that score, in general, Proddys don’t do that.

I realize that Vatican Cult members construe reality very differently routinely.

They construe Scripture in absurd ways. Why wouldn’t they twist and distort Proddy and other realities!

They are so well practiced at the dark art—it’s automatic—probably barely conscious at times.


737 posted on 06/03/2011 8:52:47 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Iscool

There have been countless pages posted where it is shown that many Catholics, clergy included pray to Mary and ask her to provide Grace, Salvation, health, wealth and healing and many numbers of things which can only come from God...

So how could you make such a statement that all you ask of Mary is to convey a prayer to Jesus???


ABSOLUTELY INDEED.


738 posted on 06/03/2011 8:54:11 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Claud

LOL.

Welllllllll, even Proddy KJV addicts don’t go running around saying that to their children. At least not in public! LOL.

Sheesh . . . grope grope.


739 posted on 06/03/2011 8:55:02 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Cronos
you're also utterly wrong about the location -- Nestorianism moved to what is now Persia and was instrumental in the Church of the East, which later, under Babai the Great rejected Nestorianism

Moved??? From where??? Syria, of course...And Antioch in particualar...Which means I am utterly right...And you are definately wrong...

740 posted on 06/03/2011 8:55:55 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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