Posted on 07/08/2011 9:15:31 AM PDT by delacoert
Are you of the opinion that a Mormon should never be elected President?
Yes, it is my opinion that an indoctrinated Mormon should never be elected as President of the United States of America. Indoctrinated temple Mormons (as Romney is) have experienced years of brainwashing and indoctrination and also have made covenants and oaths that they plainly cannot disobey.
Mitt Romney and all temple Mormons have sworn to obey The Law of Consecrationin the secret temple ceremonies which states "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at the altar, the you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in The Doctrine and Covenants (a Mormon book), in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, an everything with which the Lord has bless you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormon Church), for the building up of the Kingdom of God on earth and for the establishment of Zion."
Ex-Mormon Ed Decker reveals the penalty for disobedience that was made by Mitt Romney (and all temple Mormons) at the time he took out his temple endowments: The "execution of the penalty" for disobedience was demonstrated "by placing the thumb under the left ear, the palm of the hand down, and by drawing the thumb quickly across the throat to the right ear, and dropping the hand to the side."
(Excerpt) Read more at inthearena.blogs.cnn.com ...
You say “A very specific word was utilized there: “elected”.
Now, you’re not trying to tell VOTERS that they HAVE to vote for cultists for POTUS, are you? Are you saying if we don’t, we’re “pretty messed up?”
No I’m saying that SHE is telling the voters they CANNOT be allowed to vote for whomever they choose and elect a mormon. I did NOT say anyone has to vote for anyone. I believe people should vote for the person whom they believe shares their political ideology. YOU, however, are misrepresenting what I said and trying to start an argument. Apparently your rabid hatred of all things mormon has caused you to deliberately misunderstand my point. We shall have to agree to disagree. Good day to you.
Romney’s proabortion stance for the unborn.
And his continued activity in a church who defacto sent blacks to Hell until 1978 (and that never renouced the doctrine) and teach that Christ will return to Missouri and set up a Mormon theocracy.
Want quotes by LDS leadership?
You are very shortsighted to think Romney will be a better president just because he has an R as his affiliation. Romney is no more a republican than Obama is and I have no love or trust for either of them.
I will NEVER EVER EVER vote for Romney and if the GOP is stupid enough to make him the nominee, I’m out of the party because they no longer represent my views and values.
If we want to save this country, MAKE SURE Romney is not the nominee. Otherwise we have already lost, regardless of who the president is.
Probably not, and Mormonism and Islam have A LOT in common which would explain why Muslims are so welcome in Mormon circles like at BYU. Several articles about these similarities have been posted here. It is naive to assume Mormonism is anti-Islam.
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islamic-mormonism-similarities.htm
This person seems to be saying that anyone who is a mormon should not have the right to practice their religious beliefs and serve their country at the same time.
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Not when their religious beliefs are contrary to the best for the country as Mormon beliefs are.
And there is a big difference between a Catholic and a Mormon. Catholics don’t make covenants to but the Catholic church above ALL (even the constitution). Catholics have never had oaths against the US Government, as the LDS have (clear up until 1930). Catholics do not teach that Jesus will return to Missouri and set up a Catholic theocracy (Mormons do). Catholics don’t teach that their priesthood will save the constitution (white horse prophecy).
Before you think that a Mormon can properly serve in politics I suggest you get a copy of “When Salt Lake City Calls” by Rocky Hulse (4th/6th generation Mormon who left), it will change your mind.
http://www.amazon.com/When-Salt-Lake-City-Calls/dp/1604772204
No I’m saying that SHE is telling the voters they CANNOT be allowed to vote for whomever they choose and elect a mormon.
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No Christian should vote for a Mormon in good conscience. They can run (Joseph Smith ran for president in 1844), but they should not be elected. There is inherent conflict of interest there.
Been there, done that.
All I know is that America was founded by people fleeing religious persecution.
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and none of them were Mormons
“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”
In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]
It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels.
Consider the following.
Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated.
Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]
Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer.
Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.
Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.
As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.
Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.
“I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]
Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.
Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.
Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.
Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.
Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.
“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4]
In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith’s claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.
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[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”
[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.
[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.
[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.
(Decker, Ed, My Kingdom Come: The Mormon Quest for Godhood, Xulon Press, 2007)
Romney has yet to show that he is a racist
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He already has
He was a Mormon for years before 1978 when the Mormons were fonally pressured by Jimmy Carter into ceasing their 150 years of discrimination towards black men and allowed them to become mormon priests..
Thats 14 years after the Civil Rights Act...
It took the mormon gods that long to make up their minds and tell the mormon “prophet” to prophecy that it was OK now to change the racist and bigotted doctrines..
Williard Mitt Romney was a racist all those previous years because of his own free will he berlonged to a religious organization that deliberately excluded men because of the color of their skin..
Seems you are trying to revive the Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition.
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Which one ???
Are you interested in the one the Mormon prophet Brigham Young had in the Utah Territory for 40 years ???
Why do you keep putting words in her mouth? Can you not read clearly?
She never used the word "CANNOT"!!!
I mean how could one individual keep anybody from voting for anybody they want!!!
If I said to you, you CANNOT post something...who am I authority-wise & power-wise able to stop you from posting? The same thing applies here! She would be guilty of overcommitting to a posture of authority & power she has no way to follow thru on.
If I told you that you "should not" -- or I "recommend or suggest or encourage" that you don't do something...that is NOT the same thing as your claim that she was saying you CANNOT do something.
And here you go & do this right after I rebuked you openly for doing the same thing in a previous post! You've gotta a LOT of online nerve -- and no credibility.
In post #113, you twice put words in her mouth there, too: First you said: This person seems to be saying that anyone who is a mormon should not have the right to practice their religious beliefs and serve their country at the same time. (When she did not)
Then you claimed, that she was trying to stop Mitt Romney from running! (When she did not say that)
I recommend to you that if you're ever tempted to gossip, don't. Even when something is clearly presented to you in writing multiple times, you get it wrong, assume the worst about the person, and then pass on whatever made-up words you've added on to their quoteable phrases!
I dare you. Go back into the interview & pull out her exact words -- and then tell us how you managed to keep garble it time after time after time!
If you have ANY sense of Christian sensibilities about you, may I suggest you give an open-ended apology to this author -- even if she never reads it.
Apparently your rabid hatred of all things mormon has caused you to deliberately misunderstand my point.
No, I don't "hate" Mormons -- rabidly or any other way. But if you feel you have to judge the inner motives of complete strangers, may I suggest that you apologize for that as well? (Or do you have a Ph.D. in inner judgmentalism? May I see your license?)
Fine - but mormons don’t believe in the God of Abraham. They believe in millions of Gods that inhabit their own planet.
I’m not suggesting that one should only vote for candidates that are of the same denomination. I’m saying that anyone who has been deceived into believing any wacky religion like Scientiology, Branch Davidians, Mormonism, etc., lacks discernment and therefore doesn’t have the qualities to be a president.
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1- but mormons don’t believe in the God of Abraham.
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More disinformation about the LDS folks like you feel free to spout your falsehoods
wow!
Patriarchal Blessings
Patriarchal blessings are given to worthy members of the Church by ordained patriarchs. Patriarchal blessings include a declaration of a person’s lineage in the house of Israel and contain personal counsel from the Lord. As a person studies his or her patriarchal blessing and follows the counsel it contains, it will provide guidance, comfort, and protection.
Declaration of Lineage
A patriarchal blessing includes a declaration of lineage, stating that the person is of the house of Israel—a descendant of Abraham, belonging to a specific tribe of Jacob. Many Latter-day Saints are of the tribe of Ephraim, the tribe given the primary responsibility to lead the latter-day work of the Lord.
Because each of us has many bloodlines running in us, two members of the same family may be declared as being of different tribes in Israel.
It does not matter if a person’s lineage in the house of Israel is through bloodlines or by adoption. Church members are counted as a descendant of Abraham and an heir to all the promises and blessings contained in the Abrahamic covenant (see Abrahamic Covenant).
http://tinyurl.com/6zer5fs
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Yup very scary folks they are....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R9x_um9Cak
Resty, the God of Abraham wasn’t once a man, doesn’t have a body of flesh and bones, didn’t earn his godhood through good works, and isnt’ the same God the LDS claim.
The Bible is clear that the God of Abraham was ETERNALLY God and is a spirit for starters.
pat resty, pat. I’m still praying for you.
It SEEMS that way to you?
By what objective standard are you judging me thusly?
I don't think I'd categorize it as 'success'.
Well; Delphi User isn't quite convinced of it.
Did YOU eat any grilled MEAT that day?
The Bible is clear that the God of Abraham was ETERNALLY God and is a spirit for starters
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The God of Abraham is Jehovah aka Jesus Christ who once was a man and now is Eternal.
1 Tim 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
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You vote for who you must. I don't plan on voting for evil. I will not vote for either Obama or Mitt. You see where my scruples are in the matter and why (damnation).
God was manifest in the flesh though CHRIST. God the Father (the God of Abraham) was ALWAYS ETERNAL, not once a man like us as the LDS teach.
Read 1 Tim in context resty dear.
God of Abraham is called Jahovah aka Jesus Christ.
Elohim is the Father of Jesus Christ.
The God of Abraham is Jehovah aka Jesus Christ who once was a man and now is Eternal.
1 Tim 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory
John 14
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 ¶If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 20
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them,
I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father;
and to my God,
and your God.
The Bible continues to testify to the Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
John 5
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do:
for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth:
and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
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