Dramatic Changes in Music Rubrics for New Missal

Chant Cafe ^ | 7/8/11 | Jeffrey A Tucker

[BelegStrongbow]

I would have no problem with any of the three we’ve been discussing. I can’t see why you make the distinction, other than Schubert’s denomination (I’m guessing Lutheran). Deprive yourselves all you want. We won’t. We happily use Gregorian chant, Roman hymns, etc, and think them easily as beautiful and reverent as anything our home team composed.

Charity, it’s not just for money anymore.

[Desdemona]

Schubert was just as Catholic as I am. That particular song was written as part of a HUGE collection of Lieder which are art songs and are NOT sacred. I didn't make this up out of thin air. Even when the darn thing was written, over two hundred years ago, it was that way. Not only that, the original words to the song are a German translation of an English poem that is not the words to the Ave Maria, or Hail Mary. In a recital, it's fine, but the music itself is not sacred. That doesn't mean it's not inspirational, just not sacred. In that same collection of Lieder, there are songs to the saints and they are not permitted in liturgy either.

Deprivation has nothing to do with it. Maintenance of theological integrity does - and that outweighs ephemeral taste when it comes to sacred music.

[netmilsmom]

>>When you say you fold your hands in front of you, are you lacing your fingers together and folding them tightly or are you placing your palms together with the fingers straight up?<<

I lace my fingers and have taught my children to do the same. To me, that is a universal posture that says “leave me alone, I’m praying.” Most people get it. If they don’t, they deserve to be ignored.

>>What are you doing when we say, “For the kingdom, power, and glory are yours...”? Are you lifting your hands up toward heaven?<<

I don’t, but I don’t see any reason why you couldn’t. While the “hands extended” (orans) position is truly reserved for the Priest and Deacon, folding one’s hands is the laity’s posture. Personally, I don’t do any of the “Catholic Calisthenics” that the innovators have added. No swaying, no “Lift up your hearts” freethrow toss, no handholding. AND when we travel through the summer and go to different parishes, I put my girls between my husband and myself so they don’t have to deal with anyone.

The Our Father is during the Liturgy of the Eucharist. We should be concentrating on Jesus, right there on the Altar. I always say to people, “If Jesus appeared standing on the Altar, would you be grabbing for your neighbor’s hand? I sure wouldn’t. I’d be on my face, begging forgiveness. Well he is right there on the altar. Body and Blood, soul and divinity.”

rant off/

[Jeff Chandler]

I don’t do any of the “Catholic Calisthenics” that the innovators have added. No swaying, no “Lift up your hearts” freethrow toss, no handholding.

I don't do the NAZI salute blessing either.

[netmilsmom]

>>I don’t do the NAZI salute blessing either.<<

I was in SHOCK the first time I saw that.
The laity should not be blessing anyway. My EMHC husband was taught NEVER to bless children when they are brought up for communion. He holds up the host and says, “May God bless you.” The laity blessing is back to the old lib thought of “we are all priests/we are Church”. Ugh.

The Nazi deal is downright scary. For heaven’s sake, don’t these people see themselves?

[Melian]

Thanks so much. I will try it. I was pretty unnerved by the parishioner who came across the aisle to make me hold his hand. Perhaps this posture will make it clearer to the “manual meddlers.”

[netmilsmom]

I be praying for you!!!!
Who knows, you may just start a trend.

Hugs!

[netmilsmom]

Make that “I’ll be praying...”

(sheesh, we need a delete button here)

[Salvation]

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