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To: GiovannaNicoletta
If God has put an allegory in the Bible, He did it for a reason. He never anywhere at any time authorized man to change the clear, literal meaning of Scripture.

I almost agree with this sentence except for the word “clear.”

Tell me what God said about it. Does the passage indicate that what Joseph did was prophetic?

History is prophetic and Joseph is a good place to start. But first:
Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
God has hidden things and he intends for us to find them. He did not tell us where to look or even what it is we will find, only that there is honor to search. Not just a few things but enough to last a lifetime. You will lock yourself out of a large portion of God’s blessings if you refuse to look.

You will do well to challenge me. Lets take the sword of the spirit together and practice using it.

The events of the life Joseph remind us of Christ so much that we say he is a type of Christ. As with any analogy, there are similarities and differences. Joseph was beloved of the father, rejected by his brothers, death in symbol only, rose to second in command over Egypt, and took a gentile bride.

Some events have not happened yet, in particular the seven years of plenty and the seven years of famine. Scripture uses the physical things to explain spiritual things, so I think we will be looking for a spiritual famine. (Amos 8:11)

It was famine that drove Josephs brothers to Egypt for food. They were not looking for Joseph nor did they recognize him at first. What an event it must have been when he said to them “I am Joseph.” I believe that God has orchestrated such an event to bring Israel to Christ during the Tribulation.

There are two things that occur here if you are trying to fit this into prophecy, will there be seven years of plenty and the fact that this event happened two years into the seven year famine.
205 posted on 10/19/2011 10:13:10 PM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Seven_0
I almost agree with this sentence except for the word “clear.”

Actually, the word "clear" is very appropriate. Unless a Biblical text indicates that something is allegorical or symbolic, it is to be taken literally.

Take the example I gave of a literal, one thousand year kingdom where Christ rules and reigns. Not only is there no indication in that text that the Millennial Kingdom is to be taken as anything other than literal, the Old Testament is full of specific details about Christ's literal Millennial Reign.

When God gives no sign that a passage is symbolic, and in those passages that are symbolic it is always symbolism that He has written, not something that is plain, clear language that a man at some point in time didn't like so he changed the meaning of the Scripture, then and only then are we to read the symbolic passage symbolically.

God has hidden things and he intends for us to find them. He did not tell us where to look or even what it is we will find, only that there is honor to search. Not just a few things but enough to last a lifetime. You will lock yourself out of a large portion of God’s blessings if you refuse to look.

"Looking for hidden things" is all well and good, but nowhere does God tell us to take it upon ourselves to change His Scripture while we're "looking for the hidden things". "Looking for the hidden things" is not a signal for fallen man to go through the Bible, find something that he doesn't immediately understand, and instead of continuing to study and search, go ahead and allegorize what he doesn't understand into something that he wishes that God had written instead of what He did write.

As for Amos 8, Amos was a contemporary of Isaiah. Though he was primarily sent to warn the Northern Kingdom, it’s easy to see the fulfillment of Amos 8:9 in the day on which Jesus was crucified. Verse 10 was partially fulfilled by the believers who mourned the Lord’s death on that Passover, but its ultimate fulfillment is confirmed by Zechariah 12:10-14. Just before the 2nd Coming, the entire nation will mourn over the realization of what their ancestors allowed to happen. Amos 8:11 is often quoted in connection with the End times saying that the anti-Christ will attempt to remove any reference to God and His word from Earth.

You will only see the spiritual famine of Amos 8:11 if you miss the Rapture.

208 posted on 10/20/2011 2:36:47 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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