Posted on 10/16/2011 1:13:19 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
I had been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints for just a few days when I encountered my first experience of anti-Mormon prejudice.
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“But you’re not Christian and you don’t believe in forgiveness.” It was not a question, but a declaration, delivered with a finality reminiscent of a judge’s gavel rendering verdict on a hapless miscreant.
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Mormons do not pretend that their understanding of Christ is identical to that of Christian orthodoxy. We embrace the New Testament and much of what the modern Christian world teaches about the Savior of the world, but we do not stop there. We have a lot more to add about the Son of God, and it is that additional revelation that causes the real rub with some orthodox Christians. To us, however, refusing to accept further enlightenment on the mission of Jesus Christ is like a math teacher telling his or her students they must stop at multiplication tables. No algebra or calculus allowed.
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For those who want to accelerate that process of understanding, our churches are open to all every Sunday. Use the website to find the nearest chapel to you, and feel free to drop by. If you try to track the number of references to Jesus Christ in the service, you may lose count. So just observe the families, listen to the prayers, leaf through the hymn book to see if any of the hymns seem familiar, and make up your own mind as to how Christian our people are. Jesus taught us: “By their fruits, ye shall know them.”
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They can do whatever they want - it is the equivalent of children playing church.
‘Raise up a child in the way that they should go, and when they are old they will not depart from it.’ Whole Momron/LDS families will sahre the outer darkness. Is that comforting to you? ... Me neither, and that’s why a few still risk the ridicule of the ignorant in order to warn the perishing.
Oh, I think you got the drift and didn’t like the message, so you played a deceit game. We have lots of stunt Mormons who try that, too. It is your way of tossing ridicule thinking you’re so clever.
Your Latin tagline is poorly phrased
In your case ... soft in the senses.
Singing the old Bob Hope theme song:
Fangs, for the Mammaries
Looked like the pposter was trying to make some Latin inference to wisdom or wise. Fail
Yes, there are religious denominations that believe that too. However, for Scriptural discernment it is critical to study Hebrew & understand Hebrew idioms. "Let us" and “in our image” does not refer to two beings nor does it refer to our fleshly form as YHVH Elohim is without form. You cite from Gen 1:26; however let us take a look at what YHVH says in HIS expanded historical account of the verse in Gen 2:7
7 Then ADONAI(the Hebrew text shows Yod-Hey-Vav-Hey, YHVH, the name of our Elohim), God, formed a person [Hebrew: adam, man not Adam the man's name; carnal flesh] from the dust of the ground [Hebrew: adamah] and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, so that he became a living being
A carnal Greek mindset of the reading of Gen 1:26 does lend a carnal mind to think of the fleshly form first, but in Hebrew the adjective always follows the noun so one must go to Gen 2:7 to get the adjective and that adjective is “breath of life” which is “Spirit & Word”
Because Adam(carnal flesh) ignored the “Spirit & the Word” man fell into a continual corruptable carnal state of mind. From that time YHVH has been working to get HIS children to give up the carnal & turn back to the “Spirit & Word” for that is the image, the substance of YHVH our Elohim
When YHVH returns are we to be looking for a carnal image? Heaven forbid! For if we set our eyes on the flesh, we will be fooled by the deceitful one who comes in HIS name claiming to be HIS image. But if our hearts cling fast to the “Spirit & the Word” which has been constant from the beginning, that has never changed, is always eternal, then we will not be deceived.
Therefore it was YHVH, the “Spirit & the WORD” that came as our Messiah in the form adam(man - Spirit & Word) in order that Adam(carnal flesh)would recognize & understand HIM. We also must look to the history at Mt Sinai where the people trembled at the voice of YHVH because it was so powerful. When YHVH chose Moses to be the mediator(Adamaic high priest) between HE and the people, YHVH prophesied about HIS title as High Priest the HE would would need to establish on earth as it is in HIS Kingdom. YHVH also knew that HE Himself would eventually have to come at a later set time because YHVH knew Adam (carnal flesh) would ignore HIM by continuing to add & take away from HIS Word. YHVH came as Yah’shua to instruct HIS children to cast off rabbinic legalism & follow HIM only.
The yods & strokes Yah’shua spoke of in Mt 5:18 are very, very, very, very, very important if one is to understand what YHVH is saying to us. Thus the reason one can not discern the truth by just reading & studying in English & Greek.
In Gen 2:4 YHVH says “these are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created”. The Hebrew letter “Yod” which also represents the hand of YHVH in certain words appears 2x in the Hebrew spelling of generations.
The next appearance of generations comes in Gen 5:1 “This is the book of the generations of Adam”. This time the 2nd “Yod” is missing from the word generations. The hand of YHVH was removed because Adam(carnal flesh) had corrupted the “Spirit & the Word”.
Through Torah & the Prophets the word “generations” is never spelled the way YHVH intended it to be because Adam(carnal flesh) continued to corrupt YHVH’s “Spirit & Word”. That is, UNTIL we get the the Book of Ruth.
Ruth 4: 18-22 "Now these are the generations of Pharez:... and Obed begat Jesse, and Jesse begat David"
By restoring the 2nd “Yod”, the hand of YHVH, to the word "generations" YHVH prophesied that the adam(man-Spirit & Word) HE would come in as the Messiah would come through the seed of Ruth(born a gentile & through marriage became a member of the house of Judah) which would bring forth the House of David & would be without blemish.
2 Samuel 22:47 “The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be my God, the Rock, my Savior!
Isaiah 17:10 You have forgotten God your Savior; you have not remembered the Rock, your fortress
Isaiah 43:3 For I am the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior
Psalm 18:46 The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God my Savior!
Psalm 25:5 Guide me in your truth and teach me, for you are God my Savior, and my hope is in you all day long
Psalm 27:9 Do not hide your face from me, do not turn your servant away in anger; you have been my helper. Do not reject me or forsake me, God my Savior
Psalm 42:5 Why, my soul, are you downcast? Why so disturbed within me? Put your hope in God, for I will yet praise him, my Savior and my God
Micah 7:7 But as for me, I watch in hope for the LORD, I wait for God my Savior
Habakkuk 3:18 yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will be joyful in God my Savior
Luke 1:47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior
1 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior
1 Timothy 4:10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people
Titus 1:3 and which now at his appointed season he has brought to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior
Titus 2:13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior
Jude 1:25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority
The Apostles were not saying “God our Savior” out of any new NT revelation or NT teaching by Yah'shua that spoke of abolishing Torah as the NT did not existed at the time, therefore one can not use it to define the teachings in it because the unblemished adam named Yah'shua was YHVH. The Apostles only taught from the ONLY Scriptures that they had been taught from all their lives. The reading of Torah(Moses) and the writings of the Prophets they heard every Sabbath in the synagogues. Teachings & readings they studied diligently because Torah instruction was placed above all other subjects from their childhood.
Messiah is the title of the anointed High Priest of Isra’el through which all forgiveness is mediated. We use this title as affirmation that in deed, YHVH walked the earth in the flesh as Yah’shua. YHVH did not form a new man, he came in the for of adam(man).
Savior is the title of the deliverer of forgiveness and salvation
Yah’shua(Jesus) is the name given to the flesh means “God Saves”
We are to pray to YHVH for forgiveness “in the name(title) of Messiah who HE came as, but we are never to place the title of the flesh as having any power over that of our One & Only Elohim. And especially we do not place the name given to the flesh as having any power.
As prophesied, YHVH took the High Priesthood away from corrupted adam(man) and placed it back where it was always intended to be, in HIS “right hand”(another entire teaching in and of itself) because corrupted Adam(carnal flesh) thought they had the power to say who & how salvation according to their rabbinic legalism(Talmud-oral law not given by YHVH). Cornelius! Man may be corrupt, but he was never “unclean”.
This is why the red banner(part of the sacrificial ritual of the scapegoat) placed on the Temple on Yom Kippur never turned white again after Yah’shua(the name given to the flesh in order for the final blood atonement) died. The Adamaic(carnal flesh) high priesthood of Leviticus was taken away, never to be used again. The only way for Adam (carnal flesh) to receive forgiveness is to go straight to YHVH in the name(title) Messiah, the renew High Priest. The blood sacrifice from the Levitical Temple service was forever rejected. It was not taken away by Yah’shua the flesh, it was taken away by YHVH in the shedding of the blood of Yah’shua and it was Prophesied from the beginning that is MUST happen.
In our business I have many titles, but I am still only one being. YHVH has many titles and HE has never been anything but ONE being.
I have to say it is quite interesting reading religious history and all the Christendom bashing of Jews for killing their Elohim(God). Yes indeed, these historians knew exactly what they were saying. It is just to bad they cast of the front of the book, Torah & the Prophets, in order to be just like the Pharisee & Sadducee that Messiah rebuked. Yes, carnal religious minds all think alike no matter the denomination.
The “Son” Word brought in the form of flesh is a metaphor for how all of YHVH’s children are to be. The “Son”, Yah’shua, was the living breathing “Spirit & Word” that was first breathed into adam(man) in the beginning. The Word brought in the form of flesh was our physical example and that flesh never strayed from the “Spirit& the Word” because not one of his actions was his own. Not one action, not one word was from his flesh or carnal mind; from birth to death.
We are to be examples of YHVH’s “Son”(adam in Gen 2:7), “Spirit & Word” not sons (Adams of the fallen flesh).
Yup; but do the guys above?
I followed your link, Jeff and enjoyed reading your articles and would like to add here to your statement that I too put my trust and faith in Jesus Christ on whom I rely completely for my salvation.
I don’t see the need to get upset if people don’t believe that LDS are followers of Jesus Christ. I know, as you do, that what we as Latter-day Saints believe and teach centers on Jesus of Nazareth and the great sacrifice He made for all mankind.
If a Christian is a believer in, and a follower of Jesus Christ, the Latter-day Saints fully qualify.
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