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Crystal Cathedral's Rev. Robert Schuller Requests Meals for Wife, Congregation Outraged
IBT ^ | November 5, 2011 | Julia Greenberg

Posted on 11/22/2011 5:39:29 PM PST by Gamecock

An email sent out to the Crystal Cathedral's congregation requested meals for founder Robert Schuller's wife, Arvella, who is sick with pneumonia. Crystal Cathderal Ministries, a glass-walled Orange County church known for its "Hour of Power" broadcasts, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on Oct. 18. The Schullers, church administrators, have come under fire after court documents revealed they may have taken nearly $10 million from the church's endowment funds.

The email sent by Pastor Jim Kok asked parishioners not to send cards, because church staff and the Schullers want to keep her illness "under the radar."

"However, they would appreciate meals over the next three to four weeks," the email states, reported The Orange County Register. "They are to be sent to the church in order to be transported to Arvella. The limo drivers could pick up the dinners or meet in the Tower Lobby around 4:30 p.m."

Many parishioners are outraged over the email considering the cathedral's bankruptcy and the Schuller's involvement.

"These are millionaires who have limos and chauffeurs," an outraged member, Bob Canfied, 73, told The Orange County Register. "Why in God's name would they want the congregants to deliver meals? It's ludicrous."


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1 posted on 11/22/2011 5:39:35 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: DocRock; del4hope; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24; Ottofire; fishtank; ...
The YBPDLNPL is generally published infrequently, but based on the exploits of the megachurch pastors posts can spike for a period of time. If you would like on or off of this list please FReepmail me.


2 posted on 11/22/2011 5:41:13 PM PST by Gamecock (I am so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. JGM)
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To: Gamecock
Busy day at The Crystal Cathedral

Crystal Cathedral Prays For Miracle to Stop Sale

3 posted on 11/22/2011 5:43:11 PM PST by Gamecock (I am so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. JGM)
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To: Gamecock

November 5, 2011

rather old news that was posted back then.


4 posted on 11/22/2011 5:43:11 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Gamecock

LIMO DRIVERS????? OMG!!!


5 posted on 11/22/2011 5:44:16 PM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Gamecock
Now class, can you give an example of hutzpah?"

"....they would appreciate meals over the next three to four weeks," the email states, reported The Orange County Register. "They are to be sent to the church in order to be transported to Arvella. The limo drivers could pick up the dinners or meet in the Tower Lobby around 4:30 p.m."

6 posted on 11/22/2011 5:45:10 PM PST by Gamecock (I am so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. JGM)
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To: Gamecock

Send them lard.


7 posted on 11/22/2011 5:47:03 PM PST by almost done by half
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To: Gamecock

8 posted on 11/22/2011 5:50:39 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81; Gamecock

"Behold your new master - the Diocese of Orange!"
9 posted on 11/22/2011 5:55:31 PM PST by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: Gamecock

I’m embarrassed for them - how dreadful...


10 posted on 11/22/2011 6:05:19 PM PST by GOPJ ( Democrats are the only reason to vote for Republicans.... Will Rogers)
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To: Gamecock

Delivering meals is about service and ministering to someone who is sick, regardless of their wealth.


11 posted on 11/22/2011 6:10:31 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: GOPJ

I’m curious as to why. They’re millionaires, and they’re asking for mneals to be delivered by limo. I don’t think there’s anything to be embarrassed for. Surely they have a little money for food, and someone to cook it. If you’re going to be embarrassed, you should be embarrassed that they’re this brazen.


12 posted on 11/22/2011 6:11:11 PM PST by smalltownslick
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To: SandyInSeattle

True.

But in the strictest sense members are not “delivering meals.” They are dropping them off at the church. The Limo drivers are delivering the meals..


13 posted on 11/22/2011 6:13:47 PM PST by Gamecock (I am so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. JGM)
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To: Gamecock

Rick Warren, Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, Robert Schuller, Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggert... All these televangelists make me want to vomit.


14 posted on 11/22/2011 6:16:31 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: SandyInSeattle

“Delivering meals is about service and ministering to someone who is sick, regardless of their wealth.”

If somebody doesn’t get this, they tell a lot about their values.

It is not about money. It is about family, community, etc.


15 posted on 11/22/2011 6:17:51 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Lancey Howard
"Rick Warren, Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, Robert Schuller, Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggert... All these televangelists make me want to vomit."

I think they've all done about as much damage to Christianity as the Left could ever do.....

Almost makes you wonder if they weren't intentional plants.

16 posted on 11/22/2011 6:23:29 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: truth_seeker
It is about family, community, etc.

Sure it is.

What type of family doesn't want the food delivered right to the door by other family, but by a third party?

Sounds to me that the Schullers aren't interested in family.

17 posted on 11/22/2011 6:27:07 PM PST by Gamecock (I am so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. JGM)
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To: Gamecock

Think positive, Bob!


18 posted on 11/22/2011 6:30:13 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Expiate your inner liberal racist guilt, but use your brain: Vote CAIN in 2012!)
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To: KoRn; Lancey Howard

Curse the Reformation!


19 posted on 11/22/2011 6:30:19 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: smalltownslick
If you’re going to be embarrassed, you should be embarrassed that they’re this brazen.

That IS why I'm embarrassed for them. They so out of touch and narcissistic they think members should cook them meas and send them by limo? Gads - that's borderline sick.

20 posted on 11/22/2011 6:31:02 PM PST by GOPJ ( Democrats are the only reason to vote for Republicans.... Will Rogers)
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To: Alex Murphy

Stay classy, Alex (/Sarc)


21 posted on 11/22/2011 6:37:03 PM PST by dangus
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To: Lancey Howard

I would include Joel Osteen in your ‘puke’ list.


22 posted on 11/22/2011 6:38:18 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: Gamecock

Okay, “providing”. Not “delivering”. I stand corrected. :-)


23 posted on 11/22/2011 6:39:30 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: Lancey Howard
Rick Warren, Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, Robert Schuller, Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggert... All these televangelists make me want to vomit.

You forgot get-gifts-from-God-after-you-send-in-$700 Dr. Mike Murdock, Benny Hinn and that Paula White who he's been schmoozing with.

24 posted on 11/22/2011 6:39:59 PM PST by laweeks
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To: Gamecock

My late husband looked just like Robert Schuller. I hope the pastor hasn’t begun to lose it.


25 posted on 11/22/2011 6:41:17 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Lancey Howard

Think what you will about Rick Warren, but he isn’t a televangelist.

He refuses to have his services broadcast on TV for that very reason; he didn’t want to be lumped into that category. It took years before he would open his internet broadcasts to anyone but church members in the local area.


26 posted on 11/22/2011 6:41:43 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: Gamecock

This is a perf3xtly horrid booki! My Spirit would not permit me to read past the first chapter. Warren’s is a “feel good” religion. Rick Warren is a religious Dr. Spock!


27 posted on 11/22/2011 6:44:58 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Gamecock

If Mrs. Schuller is ill and the congregation has not tried to help her with meals, or other chores? What the heck is wrong with that “outraged” congregation?


28 posted on 11/22/2011 6:51:56 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: KoRn

“I think they’ve all done about as much damage to Christianity as the Left could ever do.....

Almost makes you wonder if they weren’t intentional plants.”

That’s what I believe. They were (or became) plants intended to discredit Christianity. When the MSM colludes with individuals to make them ultra rich and famous, they know that eventually the individuals will be discredited. They are undoubtedly shills because they are not true Christians.


29 posted on 11/22/2011 6:55:21 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: laweeks

I do not watch Robert Schuller, I watch Adriane Rogers and Charles Stanley. What has he done to earn membership in that dismal club?


30 posted on 11/22/2011 6:57:06 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: laweeks

I do not watch Robert Schuller, I watch Adriane Rogers and Charles Stanley. What has he done to earn membership in that dismal club?


31 posted on 11/22/2011 6:57:14 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Gamecock

Only record in the Bible of Jesus getting angry was with the money changers turning His Father’s house of prayer into a den of thieves. Many souls will be led astray by lukewarm preaching for filthy lucre’s sake.


32 posted on 11/22/2011 7:04:11 PM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: Gamecock

ugh... all I’m saying.


33 posted on 11/22/2011 7:05:18 PM PST by DetroitRight
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To: Paperdoll

You type like me. What kind of phone are you on?


34 posted on 11/22/2011 7:05:35 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Gamecock

Can you imagine asking for meals to be delivered by your limo driver??

lol


35 posted on 11/22/2011 7:09:48 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Gamecock

What would Christ do?


36 posted on 11/22/2011 7:28:00 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Lancey Howard
All these televangelists make me want to vomit.

Better watch your words. FR bleeding deacons are waiting like vultures to swoop down on you impure apostates. Never mind that the self-appointed "christian guardians of the faith" around here always leave a stink behind them.

37 posted on 11/22/2011 7:33:18 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: MrEdd

Phone? A land line only. I have M.D. so I need a magnifying glass to read anything on my computer, which is exhausting in itself. But though I am a very good typist, I have a new key board I can’t seem to get used to and it take me so much time to edit what I write, and I still miss things. Thank you for your kindness and patience.


38 posted on 11/22/2011 7:35:17 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: MrEdd

Phone? A land line only. I have M.D. so I need a magnifying glass to read anything on my computer, which is exhausting in itself. But though I am a very good typist, I have a new key board I can’t seem to get used to and it take me so much time to edit what I write, and I still miss things. Thank you for your kindness and patience.


39 posted on 11/22/2011 7:35:41 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Lancey Howard
Rick Warren, Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, Robert Schuller, Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggert... All these televangelists make me want to vomit. I wholeheartedly agree. They are a bunch of phonys, who have no more “religion” than a shovel. It's all about the money.
40 posted on 11/22/2011 7:37:21 PM PST by Old Grumpy
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To: Steelfish

“Curse the Reformation!”

And don’t forget the diddling priests!


41 posted on 11/22/2011 7:37:59 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: SandyInSeattle
Delivering meals is about service and ministering to someone who is sick, regardless of their wealth.

You are 100 percent correct. But most people don't beg for it. It is supposed to be voluntarily and not requested by the family. It is kinda tacky at best especially since it is only pneumonia. I mean if it was death bed thing I might understand more.

42 posted on 11/22/2011 7:39:45 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: GOPJ

OK, you’re right. I don’t know how anyone could do that!!


43 posted on 11/22/2011 7:41:29 PM PST by smalltownslick
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To: PetroniusMaximus
And don’t forget the diddling priests!

Hey now. Be nice. Catholic here and this is not a pedophile thread. Save it for the next time......you have a reserve of comments by now.

44 posted on 11/22/2011 7:44:08 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: DocRock

I have so often said that one of the church’s problem is due to the pastors no longer using fire and brimstone to warn their parishioners about the consequences of their misgivings..

There is, after all, punishment for unforgiven sin. And until a person dies to his/her sinself, he/she cannot be forgiven. He/she also must forgive others for their offenses to receive forgiveness from the Lord. Confession to Him is impertative.

God is great, and He does answer prayer, but Jesus does not like a lukewarm believer.


45 posted on 11/22/2011 7:50:06 PM PST by Paperdoll (quences of their misgivings.)
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To: Gamecock

I’m wondering why Mr. Schuller can’t cook up some chicken soup for the ailing Mrs. Schuller.


46 posted on 11/22/2011 7:52:29 PM PST by elli1
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To: Gamecock

"Praise the Lord and Pass the Grey Poupon!"
47 posted on 11/22/2011 7:53:15 PM PST by mkjessup (I stand with Herman Cain !!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

It’s about dogma, not errant disciples.


48 posted on 11/22/2011 7:56:34 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: SandyInSeattle

<Delivering meals is about service and ministering to someone who is sick, regardless of their wealth.

This is true, but usually one actually delivers the meals, not drops them off to be picked up by the limo driver - as if you’re good enough to cook, but not come by the house.

If you’re still paying for a limo, you’ve got money to whip up some ramen and chicken at home. I don’t blame the congregation for being ticked off.


49 posted on 11/22/2011 8:02:39 PM PST by radiohead (Buy ammo, store food, pray for the Republic.)
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To: napscoordinator
it is only pneumonia. I mean if it was death bed

"Only" pneumonia? That could be a deadly thing in an old person.

50 posted on 11/22/2011 8:09:00 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("You fool! Don't you know every Taurus purchased brings us closer to TEOTWAWKI?")
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