[Lib-Lickers 2]

CINO

[Salvation]

Oh, wow! You did some digging on this.

I want to hear from other Catholic communities, Melkite, Maronite, Chaldean, Coptic, etc.

Can they identify the object in this picture. Surely there is someone out there who knows the truth.

Someone posted to me once in a private message that a Koran would never have been green, but that other books were of a green color......

This will be fun to follow.

[unkus]

That looks more like a binder than a book.

[doc1019]

Nuff said.

[delacoert]

Thank you for posting this.

[Jonty30]

Some interpretations of prophecy indicate that Catholicism and Islam will unite to take over the world, so I can’t ignor the possibility the pope might have done this.

[BigSkyFreeper]

That photo was taken May 14, 1999 inside the Vatican.

[BigSkyFreeper]

But lets ignore the Arab man standing to his right.

[Kirkwood]

I suspect it is an arabic edition Bible. Examples are here:
http://www.biblesinaction.com/shop/index.php?cPath=25

[count-your-change]

Actually it wasn’t even a kiss. The Pope is saying,

“Even without my glasses I can see it says, “Presented to this establishment by the Gideons” “.

[Bobsvainbabblings]

Hope this clears up any confusion about whether it is a Koran and /or is he kissing it.

Father Joe

From silly to sacred, a priest speaks …

 

 

Pope John Paul II Kisses the Koran

Many have wondered, why did the Pope kiss the Koran?

Is it not a book that speaks directly against the Catholic faith? Does it not reduce the Son of God to a mere prophet? Did not the popes of the past demand its burning? The answer to all these questions is YES, and yet what the Holy Father did was more complicated than what the anti-Catholic and/or sedevacantist spin-doctors might say about it.

One critic argues that it was a blasphemous act, showing his “hatred” of God and his apostate defection from the true faith. It was none of these things. The Pope is on the record about the differences between Catholics and the followers of Islam. Let us look at the situation. The Pope has longed to go to Iraq in order to walk in the footsteps of Abraham, claimed as a father in faith by Muslims, Jews, and Christians. Pope John Paul II has seen first hand the debth of man’s inhumanity to his brothers and sisters. Our history as a world is written in blood. As illustrated in his many Mea Culpas, he strives for a new understanding between peoples where dialogue, tolerance, and cooperation will replace anathemas, persecution, and rivalry. Abraham is an integral figure of unity in turning things around politically. Looking at the incident in question, the Holy Father received a delegation that included the Shiite Imam of Khadum Mosque, the Sunni President of the council that operates the Iraqi Islamic Bank, and a member of the Iraqi Ministry of Religion. The invitation of a papal visit was renewed. They even went so far as to say that it would be “a grace from heaven”. While Iraq has been guilty of real violations of human rights, this Islamic state has been the most tolerant of Christians than any of its islamic neighbors. Many Catholics hold positions in government, commerce, education, etc. The Chaldean Patriarch of Babylon (Iraq), His Beatitude Raphael I Bidawid, who was a major spokesman for the delegation. He applauded the Pope’s actions and words as a true sign of concern from the Successor of St. Peter. (Christians represent 5% of the 20 million people in Iraq. Catholics of the large Chaldean rite [implementing the Aramaic language] and of the smaller Latin rite represent 80% of all Christians there.) It was said that a papal visit would confirm the faith of Christian believers while showing forth a genuine love for all in this mostly Muslim nation.

The Koran was a gift to him from the delegation. Islamic peoples are not casual in the giving of gifts. It represents the giver. They knew perfectly well that the Pope was a Catholic Christian, but they gave to him that which was regarded as most important in their life, their own holy book. Thus, at the end of the audience, the Pope showed his deep appreciation to this intimate self-donation, by bowing and kissing the Koran as a sign of respect. Such a gesture ran totally against the grain of crusades and condemnations. It did not mean that the Pope accepted all that was in the book, only that his love for the Muslim people, and the Iraqis in particular, was genuine. He makes the first move, not in the capitulation of our faith, but in the recognition that the followers of Jesus and those who cherish Mohammed should not be engaged in name-calling, or worse, killing each other. The Pope appreciated the suffering of the Iraqi people, particularly the women and children. It showed he did not look down upon them but had a genuine respect for them within the brotherhood of man.

 

Hmm, I wonder did he give them a Bible or a book of the wriings and traditions of the Church of the Magisterium in exchange?

My God lead us all to His truths, BVB

[mas cerveza por favor]

According to Catholic World News, JP2 did kiss the Koran:

“At the end of the audience the Pope bowed to the Muslim holy book, the Qu’ran, presented to him by the delegation, and he kissed it as a sign of respect. The photo of that gesture has been shown repeatedly on Iraqi television and it demonstrates that the Pope is not only aware of the suffering of the Iraqi people, he has also great respect for Islam.”

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=10415

This is one of the many reasons I am glad that the JP2 cause for sainthood seems to have hit a snag.

[vladimir998]

According to the former Chaldean Patriarch, John Paul II kissed the Qur’an. Case closed.

On May 14th I was received by the Pope, together with a delegation composed of the Shi’ite imam of Khadum mosque and the Sunni president of the council of administration of the Iraqi Islamic Bank. There was also a representative of the Iraqi ministry of religion. I renewed our invitation to the Pope, because his visit would be for us a grace from heaven. It would confirm the faith of Christians and prove the Pope’s love for the whole of humanity in a country which is mainly Muslim.

At the end of the audience the Pope bowed to the Muslim holy book, the Qu’ran, presented to him by the delegation, and he kissed it as a sign of respect. The photo of that gesture has been shown repeatedly on Iraqi television and it demonstrates that the Pope is not only aware of the suffering of the Iraqi people, he has also great respect for Islam.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=10415

http://www.jimmyakin.org/2006/04/jp2_and_the_qur.html

[Alex Murphy]

Those who believe the Pope kissed the Koran apparently include the man who was the Patriarch of the Chaldean (Iraqi Catholic) Church at the time, Raphael Bidawid: "I renewed our invitation to the Pope because his visit would be for us a grace from heaven. It would confirm the faith of Christians and prove the Pope’s love for the whole of humanity in a country which is mainly Muslim. At the end of the audience the Pope bowed to the Muslim holy book the Koran presented to him by the delegation and he kissed it as a sign of respect. Finding that quote, originally from a reputably Catholic source, seemed to clinch the issue for me....

....Sure, you THINK you see the pope kiss the Koran, but I bet you also THINK you see him do so in front of the Muslim who gave it to him. Nope. The man in the picture is a Christian. Which brings up the next question: If it was the Koran, did the Pope know this? It's common Arab protocol to kiss a gift one has received, and the Pope could easily have been simply following protocol respectfully, and not recognizing that the gift was, if it was, a Koran. Has anyone ever read anything which confirms that he Pope knowingly kissed the Koran?

What clinches it for me is the complete silence from any source or quarter until now, that it was anything BUT a Koran. You'd think that someone in the Vatican would have made a statement at the time, to the effect that every news source on the planet had it wrong - or at least publish a different photo, one taken at the same event, that cleared it up.

Lots of speculation in the vanity, but no concrete evidence offered to the contrary. IMO this is a bit of wishful thinking on the part of Catholics.

[Joe 6-pack]

I remember on September 11, 2010 when Pup John Paul (aka, Reverend Terry Bones) kissed a koran. It caused quite an uproar at the time...

[exPBRrat]

That was then...this is now.

[RnMomof7]

Nice try

“The Koran was a gift to him from the delegation. Islamic peoples are not casual in the giving of gifts. It represents the giver. They knew perfectly well that the Pope was a Catholic Christian”

http://fatherjoe.wordpress.com/instructions/debates/anti-catholicism/pope-john-paul-ii-kisses-the-koran/

“Pope John Paul the Great kissed the Koran because he wanted to show the world that all Religions ultimately serve the one God; we may know him by different names and to greater or lesser degrees - there is but one God. We are the ones mist blessed to know him uniquely in Christ Jesus, but we must not rubbish other faiths because the don’t know him. “And there are other sheep of mine, not of this flock....””

http://romancatholicblog.typepad.com/roman_catholic_blog/2006/05/why_did_pope_jo.html

“Jesuit Father Samir Khalil Samir, professor of Islamic Studies at the Université St. Joseph in Beirut and the Pontifical Oriental Institute in Rome, seconded Allen’s assessment. He also noted that while Pope John Paul was given to making gestures intended to show respect for Muslims – such as kissing the Quran or visiting a mosque – he was not always sensitive to the way people perceived those gestures.

“The pope kissing the Quran was a shock for many Christians in the Middle East. They thought it meant that the Quran is divine, which is of course not what he meant at all,” said Father Samir.”

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=20410

You church affirms he kissed the Koran.. Islamic websites at the time affirmed he kissed the koran..

Nice try to confuse and obfuscate though

[Salvation]

Until reading your thread right now, I had not picked up on the fact that this was a binder.