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Good article -- especially that "conservative Catholics and evangelical Protestants have joined forces in what they see as a defining struggle against abortion, same-sex marriage and secularism"
1 posted on 12/17/2011 4:58:16 AM PST by Cronos
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“In the speech to the prayer breakfast, Mr. Gingrich cited Mr. Weigel’s book, “The Cube and the Cathedral.” He said that it captured “the crisis of European civilization as militant, government-imposed secularism undermines and weakens Christianity.”

THIS is a very good sign for me....because it shows that Speaker Gingrich has the right ideas about the real causes of most of these problems.

The “powers that be” will NOT like this.


2 posted on 12/17/2011 5:08:40 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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Another thought: In view of the quote you referenced: “conservative Catholics and evangelical Protestants have joined forces in what they see as a defining struggle against abortion, same-sex marriage and secularism”

...I don’t know much about the author....but coming from the New York Times, I imagine that this was meant to be a negative.

Lol....I think it will have just the opposite effect.


3 posted on 12/17/2011 5:16:34 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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“I think it was a genuine conversion,” said Robert L. Livingston, a lobbyist and former Republican legislator who tangled with Mr. Gingrich in Congress but is now supporting him for president. “I’ve heard him talk about how it’s given him a lot of peace. He’s getting hammered these days, and I think he’s been able to absorb the onslaught a lot better than he might have 10 years ago.”

4 posted on 12/17/2011 5:19:47 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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Both Kennedy and Gingrich use the Catholic church as a shield. Neither cares/cared about truth. Furthermore, approaching our world problems by enlistment of the church in political problems is like eating with your butt - wrong approach, indeed. We need revival - all else is a holding action in what is essentially a spiritual war.


6 posted on 12/17/2011 5:47:05 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Soon to be a man without a country.)
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That article is spot on! It shows how Gingrich is dead center between the far left and the far right. My observation would be that he is the only person running who will appeal to both those Democrats who have seen their party drift too far left and the Republicans who think their party may be drifting too far right.


10 posted on 12/17/2011 6:54:16 AM PST by CynicalBear
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Past attempts at bringing down the USA from within failed due to the strengths of our institutions and key among those were the Churches, including the Catholic Churches.

Reagan, Thatcher, and the Pope all helped bring down Communism especially in Poland and the other countries that were behind the iron curtain. Yet communism was not and is not dead. There are still Nazis in the world, and Marxism is alive and well in Liberation Theology - not to mention at the highest levels of our Government.

The attacks on Religion have increased, because the Churches are a Bulwark against those who would like to destroy us from within. That is why they have been infiltrating the Churches with Liberation Theology and doctrines about social justice etc.

11 posted on 12/17/2011 7:05:56 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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13 posted on 12/17/2011 7:59:58 AM PST by narses
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I’ve been of the opinion since his intent to convert was first publicized, and the notion of his mounting a presidential campaign at that time was derided as ridiculous, with replies to that effect posted right here on FR, that the ambitious schemer was scheming ambitiously once again. He’d worn out his welcome on the southern evangelical coattails that he rode upon to prominence two decades ago, and he’s prematurely cogitated plopped himself astride another set in order to ride once again, to the pinnacle of political prominence in this nation.

Too bad he’s counted his amnesty chickens before they hatched, though. That’s the flaw in his calculation. Timing. All those newly-minted voters, not there, not yet. Alas.

He will embarrass Catholics before the primary is done, imho. Every motivation he’s ever exhibited is driven by self. He’s already gone against his newfound church on conception at birth. Fancy rationalizations have always been his justification, and that has not changed, at all.

Look at the string of betrayals public and private with this man, and see that it continues after converting to your church. Supporting him on that basis has no basis in reality. It’s stagecraft.

So, yes, it’s a new political era for Catholics to an extent, but perhaps not to the extent intended by the author. Overt pandering during a Presidential election is a new experience.

Be wary.


14 posted on 12/17/2011 8:15:53 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To a Kennedy-era Catholic, divorce was a sin, labor unions were a virtue and anti-Catholic bigotry was a staple in many Protestant circles. - Laurie Goodstein

What is the deal with the liberal media's obsession with making an effort to find columnists completely unqualified to write about things they don't understand, and then explain them to us ignorant folk? For all I know, Ms. Goodstein is a devout Catholic, but few liberals, even Catholic ones seem to bother learning what the faith is all about.

Divorce is forbidden to Catholics, but it is not the sin, in and of itself. Adultery is. And the Kennedys knew all about it. If the writer accepts Mr. Gingrich's conversion, she should know that he now rejects the option of divorce himself, if he wants to remain a Catholic. That's how we roll.

Furthermore, Catholicism continues to embrace labor unions, where they are called for. The mistake the author is making is the idea that Catholics see things in black and white terms, and would ever favor corruption of any sort.

This website presents a fine example of the fact that anti-Catholic bigotry is alive and well, even in Conservative circles. The main reason that Gingrich's religion has not been much of an issue in this upcoming election probably has something to do with the even more exotic faith of the establishment candidate. All things being equal, the right still prefers a white male protestant candidate.

The major political difference that Catholicism has to address today is abortion. Kennedy was president ten years before the Roe decision. Had it happened under his watch, he would have been under pressure from the Church to actively oppose it.

22 posted on 12/17/2011 3:59:02 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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