Posted on 12/19/2011 4:02:26 PM PST by rhema
It’s interesting, but by no means dispositive.
I never said they didn’t pick up an acorn or two. What I am saying is , there is NO first hand witness to any of the events that can be verified, only conjecture.
The Wonder of Annunciation
Lebanese Sheik Helped Get Annunciation Recognized as National Holiday
Why Be Catholic? 8: Incarnation [Ecumenical]
Catholic Word of the Day: INCARNATION, 02-12-10
The Wonder of the Incarnation
The Annunciation: When Freedom and Love Were One by Bishop Fulton Sheen
The Baltimore Cathechism: The Incarnation - Lesson Seven
Feast of the Annunciation: March 25 [Catholic Caucus]
THE ANNUNCIATION: MARY'S OPENNESS TO THE WILL OF GOD [Pope John Paul II] (Catholic Caucus)
Fear of the Incarnation and its Discontents [Ecumenical]
Theological word Of The Day: Incarnation
The Incarnation - Lesson 7 from the Baltimore Cathechism
Day of the Unborn Child Celebrated Internationally on March 25, Remembrance of Christ's Incarnation
Fiat! - Blessed Annunciation
The Eve of the Annunciation
Vatican changes dates for 2008 Annunciation, St. Joseph feasts
Orthodox Feast of the Annunciation of the Theotokos, March 25
HOMILIES PREACHED BY FATHER ALTIER ON THE FEAST OF THE ANUNCIATION
THE ANNUNCIATION OF THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY
Annunciation of the Most Holy Theotokos, March 25
Feast of the Annunciation - March 25th
Discipleship in Mary
The Power of One Hail Mary
The Annuniciation [Pavone]
Happy Mothers Day - The Annunciation - a poem
Dr. Moehler does not agree with the likes of Nicholas Kristof and Hans Kung.
All those who find salvation will be saved by the atoning work of Jesus the Christ the virgin-born Savior. Anything less than this is just not Christianity, whatever it may call itself. A true Christian will not deny the virgin birth.
I never witnessed the eruption of Mt. St. Helens. I know about it and I might even write about it but I have no first hand knowledge of it, I can only write about what I have been told.
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This is NOT the Catholic Caucas and no I am not Catholic!!!
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Surprising it may seem in this age, “young girl” and “virgin” were indistinguishable. Aramaic as a language wasn’t nearly as rich as modern English or even ancient Greek and Latin.
How about “The Message”? :)
I’ve wondered why there can’t be a good KJB av1611 translation into modern English without any monkey business.
There are eastern bibles that are written in Syriac. The New testament of the Peshitta (Syriac bible) was standard in the middle east by the 5th century and did not include many disputed books, the antilegomena, aswell as all the catholic epistles and the book of revelation(to which sadly alot of tin foil hat evangelicals are orgasmic about).
Then there is the codex sinaiticus, the oldest bible, in greek which includes several more books in the OT as well as an extra epistle and the Shepherd of hermas.
My question is, how is it possible that we “know” more now about which verses are canon than the people who lived a few years after the fact.
I do believe in the virgin birth. I do believe in the basic tenets of Christianity, but those in my opinion are logical and are actions I know not to take morally, not because im afraid of going to hell. In the same way im not sure that Noah lived to be 950 years old, or his son Shem to be 900ish. Those just sound ridiculous to me, and in my opinion, along with many stories in the old and new testament, are meant to be taken allegorically and not literally.
I don’t understand your statement. This is an open thread. I posted links about the Annunciation.
You might read one or two if you wish to learn something. Why are you seemingly so hostile?
First, manuscripts outside the Bible referring to the virgin birth date as far back as about 100-120 AD with Ignatius, and very shortly after that with Aristides of Athens, not to mention every manuscript and version of Matthew and Luke of which I am aware, so we're not becoming less intellectual over time, we're following a long tradition central to the faith that has formed the foundation for Western Civilization. I should be shocked, although I'm not, that those who object to the underpinnings of our culture don't show much interest in moving to China, Syria, Libya, central Africa, or the rest of the world that is mostly unaffected by the faith they despise.
Second, I hope Freepers appreciate the irony in critiquing a central Christian doctrine for requiring a "leap of faith":
(Matthew 9:21) Jesus turned about, and when He saw her, He said, "Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole." And the woman was made whole from that hour.
(Luke 18 :42) And Jesus said unto him, "Go thy way. Thy faith hath made thee whole." And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.
(Luke 17:19) And He said unto him (a leper), "Arise; go thy way. Thy faith hath made thee whole."
(Matthew 15:28) Then Jesus answered and said unto her, "O woman, great is thy faith. Be it unto thee even as thou wilt." And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
(Luke 7:50) And He said to the (sinful) woman (who washed and anointed His feet), "Thy faith hath saved thee. Go in peace."
(John 20:29) Jesus said unto him, "Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed. Blessed are they that have not seen and yet have believed."
Excuse me for not being embarrassed at the leap of faith in my religious beliefs. Unless the above quotes and so many others were inserted by American Christians to justify our invention of "faith" as a new fad, I'm going to assume that Jesus Himself valued faith as a religious virtue, and that we are following a long and essentially unchanged tradition.
And I should stop believing anything unless I hear it from a direct witness? Does that include the Civil War, where I have met one Civil War veteran, although I don't remember a word he said because I was still in diapers, so meeting him doesn't count? I should doubt the existence of George Washington, because I've never met a first hand witness to his alleged existence or even to the cherry tree he may or may not have chopped down? And the same for Barack Barry Hussein Soetoro Obama's alleged American identity, since I have never met a first hand witness to his presence on American soil before graduating from college (after interacting with no one who admits to a first hand encounter during college) as a full fledged Manchurian Candidate community organizer? History and Theology would be very short studies under your standard!
Yes, the ancient heresies are still around and it is almost comical when someone like Kristoff, whom I somewhat admire, write about them, as if they are relevant after 2,000 years of the Church rejecting them.
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