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Must We Believe in the Virgin Birth?
AlbertMohler.com ^ | December 14, 2011 | Dr. Albert Mohler

Posted on 12/19/2011 4:02:26 PM PST by rhema

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To: Pollster1

Who is the source of the first 5 books of the KJV Bible???


61 posted on 12/19/2011 6:17:51 PM PST by eastforker (I'll pick Rick but I still root for Newt.)
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To: eastforker
Yeah, alot like greek mythology, taken with agrain of salt. Ever wonder where the saying “ it's all greek to me” came from!

Shakespeare used it in Julius Caesar: (Casca) Nay, an I tell you that, Ill ne'er look you i' the face again: but those that understood him smiled at one another and shook their heads; but, for mine own part, it was Greek to me.

This was not the only contemporary usage, but it's the one that made the phrase popular. It's only a commentary on the difficulty in understanding Greek for a non-Greek, nothing more.

62 posted on 12/19/2011 6:18:12 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: eastforker

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)


63 posted on 12/19/2011 6:19:37 PM PST by narses
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To: eastforker

That’s your opinion. They were not even addressed to you.

And besides that, they are the truth.

What are you going to say to Jesus Christ when you meet him and he asked you why you didn’t believe that his mother was holy and a virgin?

That’s what Luke tells us — The Angel Gabriel came to a virgin named Mary and greeted her “Hail, Full of Grace.”

Are you not believing the Bible?


64 posted on 12/19/2011 6:19:47 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: rhema

On The Immaculate Conception & Science (Part 2)—Please read part 1, too.

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Really wonderful reading.


65 posted on 12/19/2011 6:22:42 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Salvation

Great mythology, ranks right up there with Greeks and Romans with a little bit of Norse! Ever look into Hindu? How bout Native American BlackFoot?????


66 posted on 12/19/2011 6:25:44 PM PST by eastforker (I'll pick Rick but I still root for Newt.)
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To: rhema

The answer is no, we do not have to believe in the virgin birth of Jesus. Nor do we have to believe in his resurrection.

We are all free to be fools.

As for me and my house, we believe.


68 posted on 12/19/2011 6:28:04 PM PST by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: Salvation

Does my reply upset you to the point that other people might believe different than you???? So sad for you!!!


69 posted on 12/19/2011 6:29:37 PM PST by eastforker (I'll pick Rick but I still root for Newt.)
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To: gitmo

Perfect:)


70 posted on 12/19/2011 6:30:43 PM PST by Jvette
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To: Pollster1

Yup, no first hand translation, just conjecture!!


71 posted on 12/19/2011 6:33:00 PM PST by eastforker (I'll pick Rick but I still root for Newt.)
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To: rhema

If the virgin birth isn’t true because, well, it just can’y be true because it violates what we think we know about biology, then God is in the same position and angels and all sorts of miracles. In essence Christianity must be only a fairy tale that props up an artificial ethos. This is atheists arguing what atheists have always argued.If they can’t convince you that the whole bible thing is a crock then they go at it piecemeal. You believe in Christ then you believe it all. If you believe that He said and did misleading things or his designated messengers obfuscated and invented then you believe none of it and everyone must do as he sees fit.


72 posted on 12/19/2011 6:34:24 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: eastforker
Yup, no first hand translation, just conjecture!!

Kind of like Julius Caesar's (allegedly) The Gallic Wars, just conjecture, that you no doubt dismiss as worth nothing, or are your impossibly high standards only for scripture.

73 posted on 12/19/2011 6:36:46 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: eastforker

Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem;
Creatorem caeli et terrae.

Et in Jesum Christum,
Filium eius unicum, Dominum nostrum;
qui conceptus est
de Spiritu Sancto,
natus ex Maria virgine;
passus sub Pontio Pilato,
crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus;
descendit ad inferos;
tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;
ascendit ad caelos;
sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis;
inde venturus est
iudicare vivos et mortuos.

Credo in Spiritum Sanctum;
sanctam ecclesiam catholicam;
sanctorum communionem;
remissionem peccatorum;
carnis resurrectionem;
vitam aeternam. Amen.

In English:

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ,
his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived
by the power of the Holy Spirit,
and born of the Virgin Mary,
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
He descended into hell.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
he will come again
to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen


74 posted on 12/19/2011 6:39:01 PM PST by narses
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To: Pollster1

Kind of strange that Jesus never wrote anything since he was a prophet.All of his followers had something to say yet he never wrote anything down.


75 posted on 12/19/2011 6:40:09 PM PST by eastforker (I'll pick Rick but I still root for Newt.)
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To: narses

I don’t know what you are trying to do, but please stop, not interested!


76 posted on 12/19/2011 6:41:50 PM PST by eastforker (I'll pick Rick but I still root for Newt.)
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To: eastforker
Kind of strange that Jesus never wrote anything since he was a prophet.All of his followers had something to say yet he never wrote anything down.

The only recorded writing of Jesus is in John 8:6.

So therefore, even though He was very literate, He depended on the Church that He Created to do the evangelizing to the world (with His and with the Holy Spirit's guidance and strengthening). The last words in Matthew's Gospel hold the clue.

77 posted on 12/19/2011 6:45:28 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Yeah, but jesus did not write it, it was conveyed, Jesus never wrote one word in scripture!!


78 posted on 12/19/2011 6:49:21 PM PST by eastforker (I'll pick Rick but I still root for Newt.)
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To: No Left Turn
I think I will write an article telling particle physicists that they can't believe in string theory. It would be worth about as much as Kristoff's proclamation.

Shhh, it's super string theory now. :)

79 posted on 12/19/2011 6:51:39 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: eastforker
Kind of strange that Jesus never wrote anything since he was a prophet.All of his followers had something to say yet he never wrote anything down.

"All" His followers had something to say? I missed the writings of most of them. Matthew's is preserved, as is Peter's as transcribed by Mark, and John's. The rest? Unless they are with "Q", I assume those followers had another mission and didn't need to write because Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Peter took care of that task.

We know that nothing Jesus wrote has survived in the public sphere, which is very different from Him never writing anything down. I'm not sure why that would be strange, since what is written clearly states His purpose, and it was not to serve as yet another scribe.

Similarly, I suspect we have nothing that Jim Lovell wrote during his Apollo 13 mission. Is it strange that we only have his writings well after the fact? Or does that make sense given that he was doing something both more important and more urgent than writing memoirs at the time?

80 posted on 12/19/2011 6:54:41 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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