To: Cronos
No, not O.K. because by the definitions you've given every time I see the term “God” it is referring to the “Godhead” consisting of God the father, God the son, God the holy spirit.
Father..son. These are not esoteric terms and their meaning would be clear to anyone hearing Jesus words. A father begets his son and Jesus is so described, only begotten, thus created and called the firstborn of all creation.
282 posted on
12/22/2011 7:43:07 AM PST by
count-your-change
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To: count-your-change
I asked in your opinion is Jesus a created being?
283 posted on
12/22/2011 7:47:54 AM PST by
Cronos
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284 posted on
12/22/2011 7:50:26 AM PST by
Cronos
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To: count-your-change
A father begets his son and Jesus is so described, only begotten, Up till there we agree, but I of course do not agree that begotten means created (in fact I would say "begotten NOT made") -- John 8:58
Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham [a]was born, I am., 1 john 4:9
I will point out that the Gospel of Matthew begins with "Abraham begat Isaac, Isaac begat Jacob.... Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ -- note it does not say the Jesus was begotten by Joseph. What we do know is as we read in John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and [a]dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of [b]the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. -- since "through Him all things were made" -- it stands to reason that He did not make Himself -- All things were made through Him, clearly indicating that He, Jesus Christ was not a created being.
288 posted on
12/22/2011 8:06:36 AM PST by
Cronos
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To: count-your-change
This is further emphasised in Col 1:15-17 15 [a]He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For [b]by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authoritiesall things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He [c]is before all things, and in Him all things [d]hold together.
289 posted on
12/22/2011 8:07:24 AM PST by
Cronos
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