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Mary: Mother of God?
What Does the Bible say? ^ | 01/11/2012 | Bro. Lev Humphries,

Posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by RnMomof7

Mary: Mother of God?

This article is prompted by an ad in the Parade Magazine titled: "Mary Mother of God: What All Mankind Should Know." The offer was made for a free pamphlet entitled "Mary Mother of Jesus" with this explanation: "A clear, insightful pamphlet explains the importance of Mary and her role as Mother of God."

This is quite a claim, to say the least! Nowhere in the Bible is Mary said to be the mother of God. I touched on this subject in a series on "Mary Co-Redeemer with Christ" printed recently.

Question: If Mary is the Mother of God, Who, may I ask, is the Father of God? Does God have a Father, and if He does, Who is His Mother?

The phrase "Mother of God" originated in the Council of Ephesus, in the year 431 AD. It occurs in the Creed of Chalcedon, which was adopted by the council in 451 AD. This was the declaration given at that time: "Born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God according to the Manhood." The purpose of this statement originally was meant to emphasize the deity of Christ over against the teaching of the Nestorians whose teaching involved a dual-natured Jesus. Their teaching was that the person born of Mary was only a man who was then indwelt by God. The title "Mother of God" was used originally to counter this false doctrine. The doctrine now emphasizes the person of Mary rather than the deity of Jesus as God incarnate. Mary certainly did not give birth to God. In fact, Mary did not give birth to the divinity of Christ. Mary only gave birth to the humanity of Jesus. The only thing Jesus got from Mary was a body. Every Human Being has received a sinful nature from their parents with one exception: Jesus was not human. He was divine God in a flesh body. This is what Mary gave birth to. Read Hebrews 10:5 and Phil 2:5-11.

Please refer to Hebrews 10:5 where we see. "...Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me."

The body of Jesus was prepared by God. In Matthew 1:18, "she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."

The divine nature of Jesus existed from before eternity, and this cannot be said of Mary Jesus never called her "mother". He called her "woman".

This doctrine deifies Mary and humanizes Jesus. Mary is presented as stronger that Christ, more mature and more powerful that Christ. Listen to this statement by Rome: "He came to us through Mary, and we must go to Him through her." The Bible plainly states that God is the Creator of all things. It is a blasphemous attack on the eternity of God to ever teach that He has a mother. Mary had other children who were normal, physical, sinful human beings. In the case of Jesus Christ, "His human nature had no father and His divine nature had no mother."

It is probably no coincidence that this false doctrine surrounding Mary was born in Ephesus. Please read Acts 19:11-41 and see that Ephesus had a problem with goddess worship. Her name was Diana, Gk. Artemis. You will not have to study very deep to find the similarities between the goddess Diana and the Roman Catholic goddess, Mary. It should be noted that the Mary of the 1st century and the Mary of the 20th century are not the same. Mary of the 1st century was the virgin who gave birth to the Messiah. Mary of the 20th century is a goddess created by the Roman Catholic Church. A simple comparison of what the Bible teaches about Mary and what the Roman Catholic Church teaches about her will reveal two different Marys. Mary is not the "Mother of God." If she were she would be GOD! There is only one true, eternal God. He was not born of a woman. Any teaching on any subject should be backed up by the word of God. If it cannot be supported by Scriptures, it is false doctrine.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: blessedvirginmary; calvinismisdead; divinity; humanity; ignoranceisbliss; mariolatry; mary; motherofgod; nestorianheresy; nestorians; perpetualvirginity; theotokos
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To: D-fendr

Sure I will. I will pray that your eyes are opened and that you will believe the gospel of your salvation. That you will believe that Christ died for your sins, was buried and rose again the third day. That “by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast.” Eph. 2:8,9. That you may know the peace that passes all understanding in Christ. That you may know the assurance of your salvation and that you may know that you are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise until the day of your redemption. That He will not leave nor forsake you and that you cannot be separated from the love of Christ. Amen


481 posted on 01/12/2012 2:53:01 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: CynicalBear; aruanan
Not when that interpretation fits with other portions of scripture.

Elizabeth, filled with the Holy Sprit, carrying her son John the Baptist, said Lord to mean "Teacher, master, or any of the other translations of Lord..."? Come now, you're stretching.

Look what you've interpreted out of Luke 1:

And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

42And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

44For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

45And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

"Teacher, master, or any of the other translations of Lord..." ? 'Tis stretching over backwards.
482 posted on 01/12/2012 2:53:56 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: smvoice

Thank you. Now we both know what it is like to pray to you.


483 posted on 01/12/2012 2:56:49 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: dangus
"...the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto SALVATION through faith which is in Christ Jesus." 3:15. It is the Holy Scriptures that leads us to salvation. You left out that part when you wrote about teaching, rebuking, correcting, or training in righteousness.

Isn't that what every Catholic is aiming for? Salvation? I don't see anything mentioning traditions, creeds, masses, rosaries, Eucharists, councils, fallible men declaring themselves and others to be infallible, etc. as making one wise unto salvation. Just Scripture.

484 posted on 01/12/2012 2:59:31 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
( how can they when they think there were no Christians before the 16th century? )

When I was growing up they were not referred to as 'Christians', they were 'Protestants' ... those who had separated from the Church of Rome and groups descended from them.

When did it all change ... like '4x4s' becoming 'SUVs' and a group of people hijacking the word 'gay' which once meant 'happy'...???

485 posted on 01/12/2012 3:02:36 PM PST by Alice in Wonderland
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To: smvoice; CynicalBear
Sola Scriptura IS supported by Scripture, 2 Tim. 3:15-17.

If your definition of sola scriptura is that:

Holy Scripture is profitable/useful for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness…

then we agree. If you mean scripture alone is "completely sufficient for..." then I disagree with you and so does this scripture.

486 posted on 01/12/2012 3:02:54 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

That could come back to haunt you. God’s Word is not mocked, D-, no matter how “clever” & “tres kewl” you think you are being.


487 posted on 01/12/2012 3:03:10 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice

If asking for your prayers could come back to haunt me you have different view of yourself than I. I don’t believe you wish to haunt anyone. I think you wish them good.

Well, most of the time anyway. :)


488 posted on 01/12/2012 3:07:32 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
>>Aren't you missing a 'sola'?<<

No, I’m not. The only (Sola) infallible source for the support of doctrine is scripture. If you confuse Solo with Sola it’s not my problem but yours.

489 posted on 01/12/2012 3:09:54 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: lastchance

I have no idea what you are trying to get at with that post. Surely it’s not that humans who have gone to heaven are angels.


490 posted on 01/12/2012 3:13:53 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
The only (Sola) infallible source for the support of doctrine is scripture.

Unfortunately scripture doesn't support this statement. Once again, your man-made doctrine fails your own test.

491 posted on 01/12/2012 3:15:00 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: CynicalBear

I should have added the new wrinkle of yours that this makes it carnal.


492 posted on 01/12/2012 3:16:36 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: CynicalBear

Agreed.

It is a great mystery, that Creator has invited us to enjoy fellowship with Him, and that He Himself has taken on the role of Mediator.

We no longer need a human mediator (e.g., a priest, a saint, a mother, etc.) to engage the Lord.


493 posted on 01/12/2012 3:17:45 PM PST by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: dangus

Sorry, but Ishtar and Semiramis are one and the same, and Tammuz was her illegitimate son. The “virgin birth” was a ruse to keep from being stoned to death for showing up pregnant after the death of her husband, NMRD, at the hands of Shem.

Yes, she definitely was a harlot, and soon after her death she became known by the pagan priests as Mother of God, and Queen of Heaven. This is the basis of the “goddess and god” worship of modern pagans (Ishtar and Tammuz).


494 posted on 01/12/2012 3:35:35 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: stonehouse01
Yes - Jesus’ divine nature existed before he took on his human nature. His human nature was derived from Mary - that is why she is the Mother of God in a very special sense, as well as the literal sense.

I cringe when I see and hear people calling Mary the "Mother of God". It seems like blasphemy. Rome uses this idea to elevate Mary, not to glorify God.

Who did Jesus say his mother was?

Matthew12: 46 While He was still speaking to the crowds, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. 47 Someone said to Him, “Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You.” 48 But Jesus answered the one who was telling Him and said, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, “Behold My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother.”

Jesus said that whoever does the will of the Father is Jesus' brother, sister and mother.

The Roman logic in calling Mary the "Mother of God" can be applied to other people as well. For instance, is Tim Tebow a better football player than Jesus was? I think it is a very safe bet that Tebow is much better at football than Jesus was. Therefor according to Roman spiritual algebra, Tim Tebow is better at football than God.

This Roman spiritual algebra can apply to King Solomon as well. Solomon was wiser than all men, 1Kings4:31. Jesus was a man. Jesus is God. Therefore, Solomon was wiser than God.

The bottom line is that Rome elevates Mary into a position of a goddess. This is thinly disguised paganism.

495 posted on 01/12/2012 3:37:03 PM PST by Tramonto (Draft Palin)
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To: Tramonto
It seems like blasphemy.

Blasphemy is saying Jesus is not God or Mary is not His mother.

If one has problems with the facts of the Incarnation or who Jesus is that's not the problem of the basic facts.

496 posted on 01/12/2012 3:40:11 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: smvoice

Do you think that Catholics think the scripture is NOT able to do that?

The problem with sola scriputra is that it is self-contradicting.

Martin Luther rejected several Catholic beliefs, saying they weren’t scriptural.
The Catholic Church pointed out where our doctrines were in the scripture.
Luther then declared that, if I may paraphrase: “Oh, THOSE scriptures don’t count.”
So the Catholic Church proclaimed the necessity of Tradition to establish which scriptures “count,” declaring the mutual interdependence of Tradition and scripture.

That is, the Catholic Church’s stance is that Tradition, if it were not scriptural, would be unreliable, but that Scripture, were it not Tradition, would be not knowable.


497 posted on 01/12/2012 3:41:55 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

So you’re saying that everything that Catholics believe is necessary for salvation is found in Scripture?


498 posted on 01/12/2012 3:44:54 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: D-fendr

Do you believe that Shaquille O’neal is taller and stronger than Jesus was?

I do.

Does this mean that Shaq is taller and stronger than God?


499 posted on 01/12/2012 3:46:54 PM PST by Tramonto (Draft Palin)
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To: dangus; smvoice

Well put.

What we see here is an apparent rejection of the “necessity of Tradition to establish which scriptures ‘count,’ so long as they, like Luther, can take its place.

:)


500 posted on 01/12/2012 3:52:13 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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