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To: CynicalBear; lastchance

***but it seems to me they are claiming the two natures of Christ human and divine acted separately and were distinct one from the other.***

***without any confusion, change, division or separation.****

Oops, this part of the quote that was not highlighted was missed. But, hey, I fixed it, after all, if one is going to try to blast Catholicism, one should include ALL of what is said and not the part that one thinks gives them the chance to crow and pat their own back, as they ping their brilliance to all their buddies.

But, to be fair, let’s look at what WAS highlighted.

***perfect in divinity, and perfect in humanity, true God and true human ... Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, manifested in two natures***

The Church teaches here that Christ Jesus was perfect in divinity and perfect in humanity, truly God and truly human, manifested, or made known in two natures.

What do you think might be meant by perfect in divinity?

Could that mean that as God, Jesus was eternal and unchanging and incapable of sin? I believe it does.

What do you think might be meant by perfect in humanity?

Is that even possible? Humans are sinful so they can’t be perfect.

What would or could make a human perfect? Could it be complete obedience to God, the Father? Why, I believe it is.

Now, were Adam and Eve created perfect in their humanity, and able to be in the presence of God without suffering death? Why, I believe they were.

It was not until sin entered the world that Adam and Eve were subject to death and the corruption of their bodies by death.

So, if the Church says that Jesus was perfect in humanity, might the Church be saying that Jesus was perfectly obedient to God, the Father? Why, I believe that’s exactly what the Church means here.

For, Jesus redeemed what was lost, not that which was never had by Adam and Eve. He did so by being perfectly obedient, that is perfectly united to God.

***The union does not destroy the difference of the two natures, but on the contrary the properties of each are kept, and both are joined in one person”****

“Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.

And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” (Philippians 2:5-11).

Jesus came to show us the way of being perfect. “Be perfect as Thy Father in heaven is perfect.”

More and more I am beginning to realize the utter loss of the understanding of the magnitude of the Incarnation, by Christians, no less.


1,064 posted on 01/13/2012 7:04:32 PM PST by Jvette
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To: Jvette
>>What do you think might be meant by perfect in humanity?<<

Human in all respects.

>>So, if the Church says that Jesus was perfect in humanity, might the Church be saying that Jesus was perfectly obedient to God, the Father?<<

Please show that explanation from the RCC. You wouldn’t want us to think that you speak and interpret on your own would you?

>>And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

So did God die on the cross?

1,073 posted on 01/13/2012 7:18:23 PM PST by CynicalBear
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