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To: Jvette
>>So, it was Peter who called Jesus the Rock and not the other way around?<<

1 Cor. 3:11, "For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ,"

1 Cor. 10:4, "and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock (petras) which followed them; and the rock (petra) was Christ."

Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

>> All of this has been thoroughly gone over and shown to be in complete contrast with what Scripture actually says and what history has recorded.<<

Acts 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. 13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

It wasn’t Peter who was the declarative last word.

>>So, as I thought, in the mind of one who thinks as you do, there were no Jews in the Church.<<

I never said there were “no Jews” in the church. Please don’t twist my words.

Now show proof that Peter was head of the church in Rome.

1,077 posted on 01/13/2012 7:32:48 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear; Jvette
they were drinking from a spiritual rock

and the rock (petra) was Christ.

It was "a" spiritual rock. It doesn't mean there is exclusively one rock. This particular rock was Christ.

The rock below is not Christ.


1,114 posted on 01/13/2012 8:19:03 PM PST by Al Hitan (Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.)
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To: CynicalBear

Don’t get caught up as protestants do in the The Rock which is God and the rock which is Peter.

It is the concept of both/and that which must be confusing.

There is no doubt that Jesus gave Peter the name “rock” and followed that naming with the claim that He would build His Church on that rock.

But, that does not mean that Peter is the Church, just as it does not mean that Peter replaces God, Jesus as the rock.

What it means is that Jesus assures us that we can trust the Church, because He is the one that laid her foundation.

*** Now show proof that Peter was head of the church in Rome.***

I will not chase you down that rabbit hole.

Deflect and dodge and then move the goalposts.

Not gonna do it.


1,123 posted on 01/13/2012 8:28:08 PM PST by Jvette
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To: CynicalBear

***It wasn’t Peter who was the declarative last word.***

It was James, agreeing with the Peter who received the revelation that was being discussed. It was James that led the others to accept what Peter had declared at the beginning of the council. But, it was to Peter that the Spirit made the revelation.

This does not conflict at all with Catholic teaching.


1,125 posted on 01/13/2012 8:31:15 PM PST by Jvette
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