Posted on 02/02/2012 6:27:03 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
Note to read later when the laughter stops.
Amen & Amen!
My history gives all evidence that our founders labored so hard to not be under any Roman Catholic Type government, nor any other denomination.
They purposed to have “A Nation under God” and our national motto: “In God We Trust”
And freedom of religion (not freedon from religion)
Given the opportunity, Jefferson would have hung the Pope. He would have been torn on whether to give him a trial first.
There’s a shocker.
To make that assertion against the previous poster is analogous to make that assertion against the Founders.
Many of the Founders were Christian, some were Deists.
None were Catholic or members of the The Church of England (Anglican).
Yes! Amen & Amen!
It has been self evident that they were and are the enemies of “A government for the people, by the people and of the people”
Every Roman Catholic should read “The Fox’s Book of Martyrs”
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Pope hits out at 'radical secularism'
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Letter from Archbishop John G. Vlazny on the matter of freedom of conscience and decisions by HHS
Bishop Olmsted's Letter to Catholics [Catholic Caucus]
Liberty for the Amish & Quakers but not Catholics. . .
Contraception mandate prompts Peoria bishop to instate St. Michael Prayer (Catholic Caucus)
Phoenix bishop (Olmstead): defy feds on birth control
A letter from Archbishop Dennis M. Schnurr concerning HHS edict
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Bishop [Daniel Jenky] Blasts Secularist Intolerance, Calls For ‘Assertive Action’ to Defend Church
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If you’re not familiar with Schaff, who the article spends great attention, he is the son of Philip Schaff, who loved writing about the mythical proto-Baptist Christian remnant, which has not only evaded detection by history, relying on a strange conspiracy which obliterates this remnant’s records while glorying in the triumph over other dissidents, but stands in direct contrast to any motives that can be deduced by either the Church or any such cyrptically dissident group, as can be inferred by any negative space.
Philip Schaff gained considerable prominence by writing what Protestant apologists wanted to hear. He was impressively knowledgeable, giving his claims great currency, but his claims were not, in fact, supported by any of his knowledge; his purely invented claim that Jefferson never heard of Bellarmine is one such example.
No thanks, I’m very selective in my fiction reading list.
You’re the one spouting ridiculous nonsense. You’re faced with direct documentation of the Catholic position towards democracy and the ideals of the Declaration of Independence, and you negate them not with any reasoned argument, but with simple bigotry.
If you knew anything about Catholic Just War theory, you’d be aware how your presumption that any papist must be inherently a fifth columnist is pure slander and counter-logical. For as much as heretical left-wingers are driven mad by it, Catholic Just War theory leaves to the representative leader of the State the authority to determine the existence of a just casus belli.
Washington, in fact, was intimate friends with the founder of the premiere American Jesuit university named in his honor, Georgetown. This founder, Fr. John Carroll, was the de facto Catholic prelate of the United Staes, and was the man Washington summoned to his deathbed.
You’re the one spouting ridiculous nonsense. You’re faced with direct documentation of the Catholic position towards democracy and the ideals of the Declaration of Independence, and you negate them not with any reasoned argument, but with simple bigotry.
If you knew anything about Catholic Just War theory, you’d be aware how your presumption that any papist must be inherently a fifth columnist is pure slander and counter-logical. For as much as heretical left-wingers are driven mad by it, Catholic Just War theory leaves to the representative leader of the State the authority to determine the existence of a just casus belli.
Washington, in fact, was intimate friends with the founder of the premiere American Jesuit university named in his honor, Georgetown. This founder, a former Jesuit named Archbishop John Carroll, was the de facto Catholic prelate of the United Staes, and was the man Washington summoned to his deathbed. His brother was a signatory to the Declaration of Independence.
All of the history you have read was written by WASPs, none of whom had any interest in relating the foundational documents expounded in the original post.
If the Truth inflames, then the problem is yours, not the post or the poster.
The commies know their only real enemy in this world is the Catholic Church. Satan knows the right address. He knows his true enemy in this world. Obama's attack on the Church was long expected.
lol.... No some of us WASPs, can read the WORDS of the elected prophets before Christianity was born and know who set the 'foundation' from the beginning. Democracy may well have been born in Rome, but our founding fathers did not establish a democracy, it was a representative republic.
This was a very insightful article.
Then come the idiotic responses which, coupled with the return of a certain notorious poster, make me wonder why I even visit this site.
Oh well, despite a few flaws, free republic is still one of the best sites on the internet.
John Foxe’s “Acts and Monuments of These Latter and Perillous Days, Touching Matters of the Church” colloquially known as Foxe’s Book of Martyrs, is a collection of gross exaggeration, and ridiculous slander, as one would expect to have been published by the Taliban, or the Iranian Security Council. For instance, Foxe claims hundreds of thousands of martyrs in “the Saint Bartholomew’s Day Massacre,” claiming blood poured through the streets of Paris, flowing as thick as the River Seine. Foxe presumed that the entire disappearance of the Huguenots was the result of murder. Modern historians, however, estimate the number of dead being “only” about 3,000, the remainder having reverted to Catholicism, or, like my ancestors, fled. That he is known as a historian shows only the pathetic state of American education, since his book resorts to childish name-calling, such as “dogs,” “apes,” etc.
Psst! If a Republic is representative, it is a democracy. The problem you’re flailing to address is the confusion between “democracy” and “direct democracy,” which would be even better called a “plebocracy.”
The U.S., as originally and currently constituted, is a Republic, but it is also a democracy.
I find it fascinating that a purely rational, thoroughly documented article about Catholicism’s influence on American democracy is met by hatred, derision, and overt bigotry; one hate-mongerer even called Catholics, “fifth columnists.”
Yet for all the frothing, slobbering, knee-jerk hatred, there’s not a single rational thought represented by these anti-Catholics.
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