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Time To Admit It: The Church Has Always Been Right On Birth Control
Business Insider ^ | 02/08/12 | Time To Admit It: The Church Has Always Been Right On Birth Control Michael Brendan Dougherty and Pa

Posted on 02/09/2012 10:15:13 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM

EXCERPT:

...let's turn to another aspect of this. The reason our editor thinks Catholics shouldn't be fruitful and multiply doesn't hold up, either. The world's population, he writes, is on an "unsustainable" growth path.

The Population Bureau of the Department of Economic and Social Affairs of the United Nations sees (PDF, h/t Pax Dickinson) the rate of population growth slowing over the next decades and stabilizing around 9 billion in 2050…and holding there until 2300. (And note that the UN, which promotes birth control and abortions around the world, isn't exactly in the be-fruitful-and-multiply camp.)

More broadly, the Malthusian view of population growth has been resilient despite having been proven wrong time and time again and causing lots of unnecessary human suffering. For example, China is headed for a demographic crunch and social dislocation due to its misguided one-child policy.

Human progress is people. Everything that makes life better, from democracy to the economy to the internet to penicillin was either discovered and built by people. More people means more progress. The inventor of the cure for cancer might be someone's fourth children that they decided not to have.

So, just to sum up:


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To: Guyin4Os
The issue is not birth control. The issue is whether the government can force a religion to provide services” that violate the teachings of that religion. The constitution says no. 0bama says yes. 0bama will lose.
I agree, birth control is the wrong way to fight this, I think you can find that even a vast majority of Catholics use birth control. It is the constitutional fight against religion. Only problem I have with this is what happens if some muzzie owned business refuses to provide health insurance that includes heart valve replacement because they use pig valves - do we have to let them get away with that?
41 posted on 02/10/2012 4:32:32 AM PST by conservaterian (Sarah/DeMint '12-XXX= Now what? Cain?XX Guess not. I GIVE UP)
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To: conservaterian
Only problem I have with this is what happens if some muzzie owned business refuses to provide health insurance that includes heart valve replacement because they use pig valves - do we have to let them get away with that?

When I was going to have a mitral valve replaced, I was given a choice between pig, cow or mechanical, but when they opened me up, they were able to repair it, instead of replace it. Off topic, just saying.
42 posted on 02/10/2012 4:38:05 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 ! We should take off and Newt washington from orbit.)
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To: ZX12R

That was just an example. Who knows what kind of medical procedures the Muzzies might be against for “religious” reasons. Or even the Scientologists or the Mormons. Are they allowed to not offer insurance that includes those procedures. Actually my first feeling is yes they can, just as the Catholics do not have to offer birth control. It is THEIR decision, not Obama’s.


43 posted on 02/10/2012 4:54:52 AM PST by conservaterian (Sarah/DeMint '12-XXX= Now what? Cain?XX Guess not. I GIVE UP)
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To: ModelBreaker

“But we were told to go forth and multiply by God in Genesis. “

Do you have 12 kids? I sure don’t. And I don’t think having one kid and adopting two means I’m a failure in God’s eyes...


44 posted on 02/10/2012 5:01:21 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; anglian

I think it’s indicative that the anonymous commentator or blog-poster described his sister as “a vegetable.” That’s death-eater talk, unworthy of Christians of any kind.

I have friends who have a child with profound cerebral palsy, requiring constant and intensive attention. Their next child has Down’s Syndrome. And they have two healthy children younger than the ones with handicaps, and three older. (I’d love to see one of my teenage sons fall for their oldest daughter, because she has incredible compassion and patience, as well as brains and pretty hair.)

It is the character of the people which makes the family succeed or fail, in whatever challenges they face, not contraceptive sex.


45 posted on 02/10/2012 5:04:46 AM PST by Tax-chick (Email your grandmother!)
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To: Hieronymus

I concur with your observations of those who are ideologically “quiverfull” or Providentialist, as opposed to couples who are largely letting nature take its course in determining their family size. (See my new baby pictures on my profile!)

They often impose a regimentation on themselves that results in very frequent births, which is physically draining and psychologically challenging. Some even deliberately reject natural breastfeeding because it might give the impression (like God is standing by looking to clobber them) that they’d like to space their children a little more widely. The ladies often seem very unhappy.


46 posted on 02/10/2012 5:17:01 AM PST by Tax-chick (Email your grandmother!)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
A strong faith is the most effective form of birth control . “Control” doesn't mean “stopping conception” it means making conscious decisions about family planning. But now that faith seems to take a back seat to secularism in the “progressive and lean- forward” USA, the majority of Catholics who voted for this (54%) must surely be pleased with this policy since with a lessened faith, they must need government help in this area. It will be interesting to see what Catholics really believe. The next election will be a defining moment for the USA ... And I HOPE that a stronger reliance on personal core values will CHANGE the left-leaning religious institutions in this country.
47 posted on 02/10/2012 5:38:54 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (Still a contributing Republican? Why?)
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


48 posted on 02/10/2012 5:39:48 AM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Very good article, hits the nail on the head.


49 posted on 02/10/2012 5:55:47 AM PST by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: A message
Human beings are the world's most important natural resource.

There's a dark side to that one.

50 posted on 02/10/2012 6:32:58 AM PST by cornelis
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

There are not too many, but I believe Lutheran Church Missouri Synod holds similar views to Catholics on this subject.


51 posted on 02/10/2012 6:39:51 AM PST by rwa265 ("This is My Beloved Son, Listen to Him.")
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To: rwa265

The LCMS has been taking a hard look at contraception. Chemical methods are frowned upon, and there is at least some who are starting to talk about it.


52 posted on 02/10/2012 6:56:20 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: arielguard
Excellent news, thank you.

I linked two articles in my post,

The vast majority of the Orthodox caved in the early 1970s.

Can you provide something that would refute the content of the two articles linked? Otherwise, I still have to conclude the vast majority of Orthodox have caved on the issue of contraception.

53 posted on 02/10/2012 7:35:21 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: arielguard; Dr. Brian Kopp

Yes—please do. I am very interested, from a professional viewpoint, of being informed in these areas. From what I gather from the articles and comments, it sounds to me like something akin to the Canadian Bishop’s response to Humanae Vitae, the Winnipeg Statement, has been adopted—which doesn’t explicitly say that birthcontrol is ok, but speaks a fair bit about forming one’s conscience without bothering to note that a properly formed conscience will not lead one to use artificial contraception—just as a good spiritual father will not lead one in that direction. The result, in Canada on the Catholic side, is horrible ignorance and disaster. Knowledge that birth control is publically denounced in an effective way and/or that spiritual fathers are consistent on the issue and the faithful generally have spiritual fathers would be re-assuring.

Otherwise, to borrow Dr. Kopp’s phrase, I see a concrete reason not to swim the Bosphorous—though it has been over 20 years since I seriously considered that.


54 posted on 02/10/2012 8:03:48 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Perhaps we need to look at the big picture.

One of the greatest gift God gave to the human beings was the ability provided by God to create another human being in God’s image.

What a wonderful and amazing gift that we take for granted.

I read somewhere that the former angel Satan was very envious of that gift from God.


55 posted on 02/10/2012 8:50:18 AM PST by ADSUM (Body of Christ is the Church, gathered around the crucified risen Lord and fed by Him in Communion.)
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To: anglian
The truth is no one wants a celibate to tell them how to be happy in marriage.

It never fails.

When somebody prefaces an assertion with "The truth is ...", the assertion is false.

Thank you, sir, for providing yet another example.

56 posted on 02/10/2012 8:58:30 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

What do Johann Sebastian Bach, Benjamin Franklin, and Maurice Hilleman have in common?

They were all the eighth child of their family. St. Catherine of Siena was the 23d in hers....

Have you ever heard of Lucy Hanks? As happens so often to young women these days, poor unmarried Lucy got into precisely the sort of trouble free access to birth control is supposed to prevent. She had no access to abortion and so carried her child to term, weaned the babe, and placed it with relatives before carrying on her own life.

The child was named Nancy, and grew up well enough that none other than Abraham Lincoln once said “all that I am or ever hope to be I owe to her”. I suppose he was a bit biased, though....


57 posted on 02/10/2012 9:06:15 AM PST by Eepsy
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To: Guyin4Os

You’re obtuse.


58 posted on 02/10/2012 9:23:22 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: anglian

Like Christ and St. Paul?


59 posted on 02/10/2012 9:25:42 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Eepsy
St. Catherine of Siena was the 23rd (child in her family).

I'm astonished that, in those pre-sanitation days, any woman had the stamina to bear that many children and survive.

60 posted on 02/10/2012 9:45:08 AM PST by Tax-chick (Email your grandmother!)
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