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To: RetiredArmy

You wrote:

“Water does not save. Faith does.”

Grace saves. Baptism is grace.

“Death, burial and resurrection. That SAVES!! Nothing else. Water does not.”

I guess you never read Romans 6:4.


6 posted on 02/19/2012 5:53:26 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998; RetiredArmy
What about Romans 6:4 leads you to believe that Paul is speaking of water baptism? How are we "baptized into Jesus Christ"? Rom. 6:3.

"For BY ONE SPIRIT are we all baptized into one body...." 1 Cor. 12:13. It is the HOLY SPIRIT, in this age of grace, who baptizes us into Christ, not baptism by water.

"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling. One Lord, one faith, ONE BAPTISM, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Eph. 4:4-6.

There is ONE BAPTISM. We are baptized BY the Holy Spirit INTO Christ during this age of grace.

Now, if you can make ONE BAPTISM into two, spiritual AND water, then something is contrary to God's Word.

8 posted on 02/19/2012 6:13:21 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: vladimir998

Baptism is not grace. It is an outward act that shows an inward change. It is the individual’s

1) Belief - but not only belief as the demons believe and tremble.

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2) Repentance - a turning away from their sin

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3) Grace - Acceptance of Jesus as their lord and savior enables God’s grace to free us from sin

The thief that died with Jesus on the cross was not baptized, yet he went to paradise. It is not the act itself that saves. But it is an outward expression and a declaration to the world of the inward change.


14 posted on 02/19/2012 6:58:38 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: vladimir998

Baptism is like putting on a wedding ring - the ring doesn’t make you married, but it serves as an open symbol of the union. Asking Christ into your heart as your Savior, in acknowledgement of His sacrifice as a forgiveness of your sinful nature, is what saves you - it’s a personal relationship and requires no outside entity or substance to seal the deal - His Love and Grace do that.


52 posted on 02/20/2012 3:52:34 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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