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To: Zuriel; Belteshazzar
Again, Jesus did not say that there would be only three denials.
Before leaving the Upper Room, He foretold three denials before
the cock crows. After that prediction, while in the street on the way
to Gesthemane, He predicted three denials before the cock
crows twice.

Tell us what you think of Mark 14:66-72.

Then review the chronology across all the Gospels to get all six.

With high regard toward the scholarship of the author of APT -- (sigh)

12 posted on 02/29/2012 12:18:13 AM PST by imardmd1 (Jude 3c "... earnestly contend for The Faith which was once delivered to the saints.")
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To: imardmd1; Zuriel

Having perused some of the other “scholarship” of Dr. Fred Wittman that is to be found online I continue to hold it in low regard. His APT is simply the product of a man with too much time on his hands and far, far too high regard for his own understanding.

For example on his “Wheel Card,” ( which is to be used after the “Decision Card,” Dr. Fred instructs the holder that the best way to read the Bible is to read Mark first, for the works of the Lord, then John for the words of the Lord, then Acts, for the beginnings of the church, and then Romans for the meaning of all this, then Matthew through Revelation, and only then the whole Bible.

A simple question: If that is the best way to read the Bible, or, let us say, just the New Testament, why did God bother to put Matthew first in the New Testament? If God had been as smart as Dr. Fred Wittman, He would have worked it out that the order would have been Mark, John, Matthew, Luke, or even Mark, John, Acts, Romans, Matthew, Luke.

Imagine what a fool Luke was to presume that people would be reading his gospel account before the Acts of the Apostles (”The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach ...” Acts 1:1). It is a good thing he died before Wittman came along. Otherwise he would have looked like such a fool.

I wonder if the Twelve wrote up “Decision Cards” and “Wheel Cards” in all the different languages the Holy Spirit gave them the ability to speak before departing for all the nations of the earth?

Another area where Dr. Fred’s brilliant insights into the truth of the Bible shines is his chart of spiritual reality. I encourage everyone to take a look:

I don’t think Jesus Himself understood these things as well as Dr. Fred.

I am going to stop now, I have learned not to argue with people who are smarter than God.

13 posted on 02/29/2012 7:58:05 AM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: imardmd1; Belteshazzar

**Tell us what you think of Mark 14:66-72.**

US??? Am I talking to ‘Legion’? JUST KIDDING!

Jesus’prophecy in Mark tells of the cock crowing twice, which it did crow twice in the actual three denials passage. Matthew, Mark, and Luke simply speak of the cock crowing following the three denials. Same story, just more details in Mark. The prophecy of the denials takes place at the end of the last supper in all four gospels.

We can haggle about their exact GPS positioning; were they coming down the steps, but still in the building? were they coming out of the building? were they in the street right out front? What does Luke 22:39 mean by “he came out”....coming out of the upper room, the building itself, or the city to go to the mount of Olives?

How about the miracles? They have variations from gospel to gospel? Speaking of ‘Legion’, the account in Matthew has Jesus encountering two possessed with devils, while in Mark and Luke, only one possessed is mentioned. The location is the same (Gadarenes), the swine possessed and drowned, and it takes place right after the account of Jesus awakening to still the storm. Personally, I happen to think that there were two, but one was much more fierce than the other, and had the name of ‘Legion’.

This type of investigative study can be interesting, but the result is usually not some new earth shaking discovery. But, some people write books for a living. Some of them are interesting, and some aren’t worth the paper they are written on. IMO, the ‘harry potter’ books are a waste of perfectly good trees, and I’m no a tree hugger. And the woman that wrote them got filthy rich making up stories. Like my wife says, “the world is getting everything backwards”.

Oh well,
Lord bless

15 posted on 02/29/2012 7:40:03 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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