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Pope says arrogance drives infertility field, tells couples to shun artificial procreation
Brandon Sun ^ | February 25, 2012

Posted on 02/26/2012 1:22:06 PM PST by NYer

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To: Tax-chick

One can depend on the press to show their ignorance of the English language. Our concern about Obama is not his pride but his willingness to arrogate to himself the legislative power that the Constitution has vested in Congress. He is a tyrant.


61 posted on 02/26/2012 9:33:28 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Blue Ink

She is like the woman with a brutal husband who hires someone to shoot him to death. We put aside the injustice that has been done to her, and while we understand, we cannot ignore the horror she has let loose.


62 posted on 02/26/2012 9:37:01 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Tax-chick
getting close to a mother of ten (and her adorable pink bundle) might somehow rub off!

Given that she only has two kids, maybe she hasn't yet figured out how children are made?! ;-)

63 posted on 02/26/2012 10:04:28 PM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: Flightdeck
defend church doctrine that was invented by corrupt men in an organization that takes second place to few in the history of organized corruption.

Four questions then:

1) If it's as corrupt as you claim, why stay?

2) When did you receive Anointing of the Sick?

3) Why is there no record of a single woman being ordained a Priest in Scripture?

4) Explain specifically what you disagree with in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis?

64 posted on 02/26/2012 10:13:31 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: trailhkr1
From Wikipedia.:

Whackypedia?! You've got the world's largest library at your fingertips and you select Whackypedia as your source.

65 posted on 02/26/2012 10:16:41 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Salvation

im pro-life.. I have been pro-life since I learned what abortion was..this is a HUGE stretch

this is NOT biblically wrong or unethical


66 posted on 02/26/2012 10:17:15 PM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: VictoryGal
I often wonder if part of the reason some couples are unable to naturally bear their own children is because God wants them to parent an orphaned child. There are many reasons why children end up parent-less and that happened even thousands of years ago - much worse, in fact. The Christians were the ones who started some of the first orphanages taking in babies and children abandoned or discarded. In Rome, unwanted newborns were thrown into garbage heaps to die of exposure, starvation, wild animals, etc. It was horrific and, sadly, some of it still happens in the world. God holds all life as sacred and I do not doubt for a minute that he wants all children to be raised in Godly, two-parent homes.

There are also many older children that are bypassed for adoption because many couples only want babies today. But these children have the same needs for loving homes and could be a blessing to families. Perhaps this may be God's will for you and your husband?

67 posted on 02/26/2012 10:47:02 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: Tax-chick

I agree, that was a dumb thing for her to say! Your children are very blessed to have you as their mother.


68 posted on 02/26/2012 10:50:47 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Someday, I’m going to flip out and reply, “Why don’t you have more children? Erectile dysfunction? That must be a real trial for you ...”


69 posted on 02/27/2012 4:29:50 AM PST by Tax-chick (I used to be difficult, but after watching 46 episodes of "Lie to Me," I'm impossible!)
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To: RobbyS
Our concern about Obama is not his pride but his willingness to arrogate to himself the legislative power that the Constitution has vested in Congress.

Excellent example! That would get you an A++ and a bouquet of flowers on the "Word of the Day" thread.

70 posted on 02/27/2012 4:33:30 AM PST by Tax-chick (I used to be difficult, but after watching 46 episodes of "Lie to Me," I'm impossible!)
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To: ELS; boatbums; Mrs. Don-o

The cultural consensus that children are very frightening, so *of course* we all want to limit their numbers, is overwhelming. People don’t even realize they’re being rude, because they’re just expressing what “everyone” knows.

The Pope, I believe, has hit on a key point: “arrogating” the power and authority to control life. It’s more socially acceptable to have a large multiple birth through IVF or ovulation stimulation that it is to have a large number of children, over many years, through the natural processes of marriage. The former shows that you’ve taken control, and the latter is frightening because you haven’t planned and deliberately caused it.


71 posted on 02/27/2012 4:42:09 AM PST by Tax-chick (I used to be difficult, but after watching 46 episodes of "Lie to Me," I'm impossible!)
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To: Tax-chick

oh well....lucky for you, you didn’t have to stand next to an arrogant jerk, because that might have rubbed off somehow. ;)


72 posted on 02/27/2012 4:53:41 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife

LOL - good point.


73 posted on 02/27/2012 5:01:16 AM PST by Tax-chick (I used to be difficult, but after watching 46 episodes of "Lie to Me," I'm impossible!)
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To: Flightdeck; trisham
I think women are spiritually equivalent to men, able to guide and learn as equals.

If Christ chose only men despite his willingness to break many social norms where women are concerned, then it is because he wished to institute the ministerial role for men alone. Ordination does not simply give a man permission to perform the functions of a priest; it imparts to him an indelible (permanent) spiritual character that makes him a priest, and since Christ and His Apostles chose only men to be priests, only men can validly become priests.

The New Testament priesthood is the priesthood of Christ Himself. All men who, through the Sacrament of Holy Orders, have become priests (or bishops) participate in Christ's priesthood. And they participate in it in a very special way: They act in persona Christi Capitis, in the person of Christ, the Head of His Body, the Church. Christ was a man.

The movement for women's ordination in the Catholic Church, therefore, will never get anywhere. Other Christian denominations, to justify ordaining women, have had to change their understanding of the nature of the priesthood from one which conveys an indelible spiritual character on the man who is ordained to one in which the priesthood is treated as a mere function. But to abandon the 2,000-year-old understanding of the nature of the priesthood would be a doctrinal change. The Catholic Church could not do so and remain the Catholic Church.

74 posted on 02/27/2012 5:09:01 AM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer
Is the pope concerned about this, I wonder?

For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

75 posted on 02/27/2012 5:29:01 AM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
this is NOT biblically wrong or unethical

In your opinion.

76 posted on 02/27/2012 5:30:11 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: DaveMSmith

No, of course not. The Pope (and the Catholic Church, and the Christian faith in general) don’t give a flying freep about fornication or the harm to children of unmarried parenthood. Why, St. Paul didn’t say a word about sexual immorality ... it was all, “Whatever feels good to you ... as long as you’re not judgmental ...”

(/s)


77 posted on 02/27/2012 5:46:15 AM PST by Tax-chick (I used to be difficult, but after watching 46 episodes of "Lie to Me," I'm impossible!)
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To: redgolum; Campion
Dear redgolum,

“If you know someone who has or you have experienced infertility, comments like yours will wound them.”

Maybe. But it didn't wound me.

Presented with the choice of having no children or going the IVF-and-other-technology-route, we chose no children. Or so we thought.

Realizing we wouldn't need all the money to raise children, we were all set to buy his-and-hers Mercedes-Benz roadsters when something unexpected happened...

... I still don't have the roadster, but I have - not one, but two - wonderful and excellent sons. I figure college tuition for both of them would have paid for two roadsters for each of us, my wife and me.

Having been there, I'm very sympathetic toward couples experiencing infertility. But the truth is the truth. There was nothing wounding about Campion's remark.


sitetest

78 posted on 02/27/2012 6:26:51 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Tax-chick; ELS; boatbums; don-o
I find meaningful --- and moreso as the years go on --- Pope Paul VI's repeated statement, "We are the ministers of the Design of Life, not its masters."

Five hundred years from now ---- if the human race has not erased itself line by line and gene by gene, has not replaced itself with some race of Orcs, half-chimp and half-machine --- people will way that the turning point in our preservation as a species was the publication of Humanae Vitae in 1968.

Paul VI was thought a weak, Hamlet-like, vacillating pope. But he was a prophet: for those who have ears to hear.

79 posted on 02/27/2012 6:53:18 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth." - 1 Tim 3:15)
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To: sitetest; Campion

Look up thread. There are many people hurt by it, and have attacked.

I was set to get a nice cabin, when we got pregnant. Wouldn’t trade my daughter for the world. But the pain many experience is very sharp.

We never considered IVF, because we didn’t want to kill the “extra” babies.


80 posted on 02/27/2012 7:17:27 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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