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To: vladimir998

Why don’t you explain exactly why the idea of female priest is morally unacceptable. And then maybe you can explain how your ubiquitous judgment of others’ piety on this board is morally acceptable?


28 posted on 02/26/2012 3:01:41 PM PST by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: Flightdeck

Are you Catholic?


33 posted on 02/26/2012 3:15:22 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Flightdeck

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
- 1st Timothy,2:12-14

‘Tis unBiblical, therefore, unacceptable.


35 posted on 02/26/2012 3:24:54 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Flightdeck

You wrote:

“Why don’t you explain exactly why the idea of female priest is morally unacceptable.”

Why bother? What reason do I have to think you would grasp any such explanation?

“And then maybe you can explain how your ubiquitous judgment of others’ piety on this board is morally acceptable?”

Piety? Creating children in a petri dish is piety to you? If that is your conclusion, than I am all the more certain that you cannot grasp why women priests are morally unacceptable to orthodox Christians no matter how detailed the explanation.


36 posted on 02/26/2012 3:39:27 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Flightdeck; vladimir998
Why don’t you explain exactly why the idea of female priest is morally unacceptable.

The basis for the Church’s teaching on ordination is found in the New Testament as well as in the writings of the Church Fathers. While women could publicly pray and prophesy in church (1 Cor. 11:1–16), they could not teach or have authority over a man (1 Tim. 2:11–14), since these were two essential functions of the clergy. Nor could women publicly question or challenge the teaching of the clergy (1 Cor. 14:34–38).

The Fathers rejected women's ordination, not because it was incompatible with Christian culture, but because it was incompatible with Christian faith. Thus, together with biblical declarations, the teaching of the Fathers on this issue formed the tradition of the Church that taught that priestly ordination was reserved to men. Throughout medieval times and even up until the present day, this teaching has not changed.

Further, in 1994 Pope John Paul II formally declared that the Church does not have the power to ordain women. He stated, "Although the teaching that priestly ordination is to be reserved to men alone has been preserved by the constant and universal tradition of the Church and firmly taught by the magisterium in its more recent documents, at the present time in some places it is nonetheless considered still open to debate, or the Church’s judgment that women are not to be admitted to ordination is considered to have a merely disciplinary force. Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Luke 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful" (OrdinatioSacerdotalis 4).

And in 1995 the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in conjunction with the pope, ruled that this teaching "requires definitive assent, since, founded on the written Word of God, and from the beginning constantly preserved and applied in the tradition of the Church, it has been set forth infallibly by the ordinary and universal magisterium (cf. Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, Lumen Gentium 25:2)" (Response of Oct. 25, 1995).

37 posted on 02/26/2012 3:49:58 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Flightdeck; vladimir998

I’m not a Roman Catholic, rather a bible-believing evangelical.

Here’s the Apostle Paul on female ministers/priests:

“Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, rthen Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but sthe woman was deceived and became a transgressor.” (I Timothy 2:11-14)

“As in yall the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but ashould be in submission, as bthe Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.” (1 Corinthians 14:33-35)

Here are the qualifications for pastors:

“if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife,3 and his children are believers4 and not open to the charge of rdebauchery or insubordination. 7 For an overseer,5 sas God’s steward, must be above reproach. He must not tbe arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent uor greedy for gain, 8 but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, vand disciplined. 9 He must whold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in xsound6 doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.” (Titus 1:6-9) (Notice the “husband” and “he” pronouns. Clearly Paul assumed only men would be Church overseers. 1 Timothy 3:1–13 also has the same language....for elders and deacons—very clearly talking about men, not women)

The 12 Apostles in the Gospels, all men. The 1st Council of Jerusalem in AD 50 found in Acts 15....of the top leaders of the Church, all men.

2000 years of Christians—looking at scripture, have also said, it is wrong to make women pastors/priests/ministers over men.

If the bible really is God’s Word, than all Christians must obey it.

Now, given all those specific instructions in holy scripture—from the New Testament (not the Old Testament), why isn’t the burden of proof on YOU to tell us why women should be made pastors/priests/ministers?

Do you know better than Saint Paul, the Apostles, the New Testament Church, and all the generations of Christians since?


83 posted on 02/27/2012 4:45:31 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because REALITY is never digital...)
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