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To: Quix
There are a few things that are often overlooked when the gift of speaking in tongues is discussed.

The account in Acts tell of the practical purpose of helping those who were foreigners hear the gospel in their own language and thus this gift helped to establish the Christian church.
Those speaking in tongues understood what they were saying and had control over whether to speak or not just as Paul later commented.

In the congregation if there was no one to translate then the speaker was to keep quiet so the event was orderly and restrained.

Finally those gifts , speaking in tongues and their interpretation, were to cease so in and of themselves they would not later serve as evidence of the operation of God's spirit.

What would would fulfill that role was those fruitcake's of the spirit Paul listed, love, joy, peace, etc. with the greatest being love.
It was by that love, not speaking in tongues, that Jesus said,
‘By this all will know you are my disciples, if you have among yourselves’.

So when I look for evidence of the operation of God's spirit I look for the practice of Christian love Jesus spoke about and the fruitages of God's spirit that Paul listed not the speaking in tongues.

16 posted on 03/09/2012 1:44:19 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
Those speaking in tongues understood what they were saying

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Brazen bald faced ASSUMPTION.

18 posted on 03/09/2012 2:04:32 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: count-your-change

And authentic love comes in many wrappings, packages and forms.


19 posted on 03/09/2012 2:05:27 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: count-your-change
and restrained.

Sounds like editorializing according to your personal sensibilities.

King David's wife had a comment about his dancing before the Lord in a more 'restrained' fashion. She ended up barren for her attitude/critique.

"Decently and in order" the KJV says. Yeah, chaos is not orderly or helpful.

The MOST beautiful sounds, music, worship experiences I've ever been a part of have been the 3-5 times in my 65 years when in a medium to large group, Holy Spirit led and directed singing in tongues broke out in different parts of the congregations simultaneously. Different melodies; different languages; no one leading but Holy Spirit--EVERY MELODY INTERWEAVING SYMPHONICALLY TO PERFECTION. It may well have been that angels were also adding their voices as the sound was thoroughly Heavenly. And I doubt many had much of a clue as to the specifics Holy Spirit was expressing from their spirit to God--just as Paul notes in I Cor 12-14. Then, when Holy Spirit was finished, it all stopped very close to the same instant.

Glibly skipping over Paul's mention about his mind not being enlightened by his praying in tongues is not very . . . honorable in the argument, to me.

Basically, fantasies and rationalizations don't hold a candle to Biblical truth and Biblical experiences.

As to the love aspect . . . some of the nastiest pontifications I've experienced in my 65 years have been on the part of folks wailing about a lack of love and with great hostility against tongues.

Impressive.

20 posted on 03/09/2012 2:22:43 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: count-your-change
. . . tongues . . . were to cease so in and of themselves they would not later serve as evidence of the operation of God's spirit.

More brazen assumption.

WHEN does I Cor 13 indicate that time is to be? NOT 70AD!

Partial Knowledge has not ceased! Neither has tongues . . . except for those unwilling to believe the Bible and obey it.

29 posted on 03/09/2012 5:18:21 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: count-your-change
Those speaking in tongues understood what they were saying

Perhaps you tore these verses out of your Bible:

I Cor 14:
2For he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man understands him; howbeit in the Spirit he speaks mysteries.

14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful.

15What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, AND I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, AND I will sing with the understanding also.

18I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

19Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

I Cor 14: 39Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid NOT to speak with tongues.

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Now, now. It's not nice to gnash one's teeth AT SCRIPTURE.

32 posted on 03/09/2012 6:01:09 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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