[stfassisi]

Mary's "choice" was to submit to the will of God regardless of the consequenses.

So far so good,dear brother. It was a choice and not forced.

If God kept Mary absolutely pure, then of course her choice would be to choose the will of God rather than her own will. That is the definition of purity. There is no free choice

The Blessed Mother always CHOOSE the will of God freely-that is free will, Harley. What part about the word choice don't you understand? Choice is a free decision to choose one thing or another,good or bad, love or hate etc...

But to say that Mary followed the Will of God perfectly in every instance and every aspect of her life is simply not so Than you went on to quote Luke 2:48-51

The following illustrates Catholic teaching on these verses by Tim Staples

First verse is Luke 2:48-51: "And when they saw him they were astonished; and his mother said to him, "Son, why have you treated us so? Behold, your father and I have been looking for you anxiously." And he said to them, "How is it that you sought me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father's house?" And they did not understand the saying which he spoke to them. And he went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was obedient to them; and his mother kept all these things in her heart." In this passage, Jesus was already beginning to show his glory wasn't he?. He was preaching to the teachers in the temple, and they all were amazed. A twelve year old stumping these learned teachers of the Law. And by Jesus' remark " Did you not know that I must be in my Father's house?", you would think that He was indeed planning on showing his glory. But what happens? Mary basically says: "It's not time yet, son, let's go home." Jesus obeyed and "And he went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was obedient to them; and his mother kept all these things in her heart."( Luke 2:51).

Hope this helps you understand the Catholic teaching?

[HarleyD]

The Blessed Mother always CHOOSE the will of God freely-that is free will, Harley. ...The Blessed Mother always CHOOSE the will of God freely-that is free will, Harley.

According to Augustine's logic this was not the case.

And, pray, by what preceding merits of its own, whether of works or of faith, did the human nature which is in Him procure for itself that it should be this? Let this have an answer, I beg. That man, whence did He deserve this,—to be assumed by the Word co-eternal with the Father into unity of person, and be the only-begotten Son of God? Was it because any kind of goodness in Him preceded? What did He do before? What did He believe? What did He ask, that He should attain to this unspeakable excellence? Was it not by the act and the assumption of the Word that that man, from the time He began to be, began to be the only Son of God? Did not that woman, full of grace, conceive the only Son of God? Was He not born the only Son of God, of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary,—not of the lust of the flesh, but by God's peculiar gift? Was it to be feared that as age matured this man, He would sin of free will? Or was the will in Him not free on that account? and was it not so much the more free in proportion to the greater impossibility of His becoming the servant of sin? Certainly, in Him human nature—that is to say, our nature—specially received all those specially admirable gifts, and any others that may most truly be said to be peculiar to Him, by virtue of no preceding merits of its own. Let a man here answer to God if he dare, and say, Why was it not I also? And if he should hear, "O man, who art thou that repliest against God?" [Rom. 9.10.]

Augustine-A Trestise on the Predestination of the Saints

According to the teachings of Augustine our Lord Jesus was unique in his ability to freely choose not to sin.

Now, if you would like to lay claim to say that Augustine was wrong and that Mary had the same unique property, then what you are saying is that Mary is Co-Redemptix with Christ. That is, they are on the same level and equal in every sense of the word.

If you make this claim, then as Augustine's points out, Mary's will was not free. As Christ's will was free but bounded to do the will of the Father-to redeem the earth, so Mary's will would have been bounded.

So there is the dilemma and the arguments.

1) Mary's will was bounded like Christ to do the Fathers will (and Augustine is wrong in suggesting that Christ was unique). Mary, like Christ, gave up her will and is equal in every sense of the word as Christ as Savior. Just like Christ said, "Not my will but Thine." so it would be for Mary.

2) Christ's will is unique in that He alone gave up His will to be subject to the Father's will. Mary never gave up her will but (let's say for sake of argument) that she "freely" submitted herself to every will of the Father throughout her life. This would not make her Co-Redemptrix-just someone who lived a perfect life. This means that she was not tainted by the curse of original sin, Paul would have been wrong to say that "All have sinned and fall short...", and Mary would not be in need of a Savior contrary to her own words in Luke. Thus anyone could live a perfect life without Christ. There is no such thing as original sin as Mary is clearly a child of Adam and she lived a perfect life.

So do you believe Mary to be Co-Redemptrix and agreeing that her will would not be free; or do you believe there is no such thing as original sin? Those are the choices of your argument.

BTW-Please note the numerous heresies. This is why I constantly discuss "free will". From this one concept springs just about every heresy imaginable.