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That Strange Mass the Pope Doesn't Like
Chiesa Online ^ | 4/11/12 | Sandro Magister

Posted on 04/11/2012 6:45:54 AM PDT by marshmallow

It is the Mass according to the rite of the Neocatechumenal Way. Benedict XVI has ordered the congregation for the doctrine of the faith to examine it thoroughly. Its condemnation appears to be sealed

ROME, April 11, 2012 – With a letter written personally to Cardinal William J. Levada, Benedict XVI has ordered the congregation for the doctrine of the faith to examine whether the Neocatechumenal Masses are or are not in keeping with the liturgical teaching and practice of the Catholic Church.

A "problem," in the pope's judgment, that is "of great urgency" for the whole Church.

Benedict XVI has been alarmed for some time about the particular ways in which the communities of the Neocatechumenal Way celebrate their Masses, on Saturday evening, in separate locations.

His sense of alarm was increased by the plot woven behind his back in the curia last winter, as reported by www.chiesa in the following articles.........


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FWIW........I take Magister with a grain of salt, these days....
1 posted on 04/11/2012 6:45:59 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow; NYer; Salvation; MarkBsnr; Natural Law

I know a few of these NeoCatechumen folks — very nice, very religious folks and a model to the community for living a holy life in the world. However, the Neocatechumen way masses are... strange... imho


2 posted on 04/11/2012 7:46:56 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

May I ask, I am unfamiliar with their masses how do they differ?


3 posted on 04/11/2012 8:51:06 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

Ping


4 posted on 04/11/2012 9:08:29 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: marshmallow; Cronos; ThisLittleLightofMine; Dick Vomer

Magister and the Pope are right here....read on.

I have done some research on this and was turned away from the Neo folks. A lot of controversy in leaving words out of the Mass.

Research it yourself, but don’t be raked in by the quasi non Catholic pretending to be Catholic group. I went to a couple of sessions to check it out — other than the cross of Christ there (crucifix on a pole) it was more like being in another denominational church. They also advotate centering prayer which is frowned on by the church.

People are nice, but they have been duped. Don’t let your pastor be duped, too.


5 posted on 04/11/2012 9:31:47 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow

Do you have those additional links mentioned at the end of the article? Could you please post them?


6 posted on 04/11/2012 9:40:04 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Cronos
"However, the Neocatechumen way masses are... strange... imho."

I am immediately skeptical of "neo" anything. Even more so when it involves the Liturgy. The point is not how to make the Mass relevant to the entire community, it is, rather, how to make ourselves individually relevant to the Mass.

7 posted on 04/11/2012 10:16:46 AM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: marshmallow

I don’t know anything about Magister, but after 30 minutes of perusing the site and reading his articles, I’d have to say his writing style is so terribly obtuse I can’t make much of it. I’d read some time ago that there’s a fairly large group of people who are avid, ardent, “Vatican Watchers” who blog endlessly about weird political intrigues that go on in the Vatican and who ascribe any number of peculiar meanings to otherwise inocuous and obscure events supposedly “leaked” out of the Vatican.

As hobbies go, I’d rather collect baseball cards. I’m Roman Catholic, love my church and my Pope, pray daily and read the Popes sermons and watch Masses and other events featuring the Pontiff but as far as the political side of the Vatican is concerned, I’d have to admit being rather disinterested. For one thing......its Italy, politics in Italy are rather obscure and obtuse to begin with. I’m sure it means something to them, but to the rest of humanity, its kind of like trying to unravel the Bayeaux Tapestry........and at the end of that, your left with nothing but a huge pile of useless yarn!


8 posted on 04/11/2012 11:29:58 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: Rich21IE; Natural Law; marshmallow; Cronos; ThisLittleLightofMine; Dick Vomer
Rhw REAL link for this story and the REAL story -- follow the Pope's actions here.

That Strange Mass the Pope Doesn't Like

It is the Mass according to the rite of the Neocatechumenal Way. Benedict XVI has ordered the congregation for the doctrine of the faith to examine it thoroughly. Its condemnation appears to be sealed

by Sandro Magister




ROME, April 11, 2012 – With a letter written personally to Cardinal William J. Levada, Benedict XVI has ordered the congregation for the doctrine of the faith to examine whether the Neocatechumenal Masses are or are not in keeping with the liturgical teaching and practice of the Catholic Church.

A "problem," in the pope's judgment, that is "of great urgency" for the whole Church.

Benedict XVI has been alarmed for some time about the particular ways in which the communities of the Neocatechumenal Way celebrate their Masses, on Saturday evening, in separate locations.

His sense of alarm was increased by the plot woven behind his back in the curia last winter, as reported by www.chiesa in the following articles:

> "Placet" or "Non placet"? The wager of Carmen and Kiko (13.1.2012)

> Vatican Diary / The Neocatechumenals get their diploma. But not the one they were expecting (23.1.2012)

What had happened was that the pontifical council for the laity headed by Cardinal Stanislaw Rylko had prepared the text for a degree of blanket approval of all the liturgical and extra-liturgical celebrations of the Neocatechumenal Way, to be made public the January 20 on the occasion of a meeting scheduled between the pope and the Way.

The decree was redacted according to the guidelines of the congregation for divine worship, headed by Cardinal Antonio Cañizares Llovera. The founders and leaders of the Way, Francisco "Kiko" Argüello and Carmen Hernández, were told about it and joyfully told their followers about the imminent approval.

All unbeknownst to the pope.

Benedict XVI found out about the text of the decree a few days before the meeting on January 20.

He found it illogical and mistaken. He ordered that it be scrapped and rewritten according to his guidelines.

In fact, the decree that was made public on January 20 limited itself to approving the extra-liturgical ceremonies that mark the catechetical stages of the Way.

In his speech, the pope stressed that only these had been authorized. While with regard to the Mass, he gave the Neocatechumenals a genuine lecture – almost an ultimatum – on how to celebrate it in full fidelity to the liturgical norms and in practical communion with the Church.

During those same days, Benedict XVI received in audience the archbishop of Berlin, Rainer Maria Woelki, a trusted confrere whom he would soon make a cardinal. Among other things, Woelki talked to him about the difficulties that the Neocatechumenals were creating in his diocese with their separate Masses on Saturday evening, officiated by about thirty member priests.

The pope asked Woelki to give him a survey of the matter in writing. On January 31, Woelki sent him a letter with more detailed information.

A few days later, on February 11, the pope forwarded a copy of this letter to the congregation for the doctrine of the faith, together with a request to examine as soon as possible this question that "concerns not only the archdiocese of Berlin."

The examining commission headed by the congregation for the doctrine of the faith would have to include, according to the pope's guidelines, two other Vatican dicasteries: the congregation for divine worship and the discipline of the sacraments, and the pontifical council for the laity.

And so it was. On March 26, in the Palazzo del Sant'Uffizio, under the presidency of the secretary of the congregation for the doctrine of the faith, Archbishop Luis Francisco Ladaria Ferrer, a Jesuit, a meeting for an initial examination of the question was held with the secretaries of the other two dicasteries – for divine worship Archbishop Augustine J. Di Noia, a Dominican, and for the laity Bishop Josef Clemens – and with four experts designated by them. An absent fifth expert, Dom Cassiano Folsom, prior of the monastery of Saint Benedict in Norcia, sent his assessment in writing.

All of the judgments expressed were critical of the Masses of the Neocatechumenals. Also very severe was the one that the congregation for the doctrine of the faith had asked, before the meeting, of the theologian and newly created cardinal Karl J. Becker, Jesuit, professor emeritus at the Pontifical Gregorian University and an adviser to the dicastery.

The dossier provided for the meeting by the congregation for the doctrine of the faith  included the pope's letter of February 11, Cardinal Woelki's letter to the pope in the original German and in English, the assessment of Cardinal Becker, and a guide for the discussion that explicitly brought into question the conformity to the liturgical teaching and practice of the Catholic Church of article 13 § 2 of the statutes of the Neocatechumenals, the one in which they justify their separate Masses on Saturday evening.

In reality, the danger feared by Benedict XVI and by many bishops – as demonstrated by the many complaints that have been made to the Vatican – is that the particular ways in which the Neocatechumenal communities all over the world celebrate their Masses may introduce into the Latin liturgy a new de facto "rite" artificially composed by the founders of the Way, foreign to the liturgical tradition, full of doctrinal ambiguities and a source of division in the community of the faithful.

To the commission he had set up, the pope entrusted the task of verifying the validity of these fears. In view of decisions to be made.

The judgments elaborated by the commission will be examined in an upcoming plenary meeting of the congregation for the doctrine of the faith, on a Wednesday – a "feria quarta" – in the second half of April.


9 posted on 04/11/2012 12:36:47 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

The REAL link for this story and the REAL story — follow the Pope’s actions here.


10 posted on 04/11/2012 12:38:37 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Cronos

How are the Masses different?


11 posted on 04/11/2012 5:48:09 PM PDT by SuziQ
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well, for one, they are celebrated on Saturday night. Some parts of the Eucharistic prayers are omitted, and laity saying the homily. Communion is received while seated.

Note that I'm no expert, so this is just my opinion

12 posted on 04/11/2012 11:07:05 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Salvation

Have read somewhere that it has been accepted by the Church, even though grudingly?


13 posted on 04/12/2012 2:56:11 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Cronos

Have not seen any such movement in my diocese. Maybe more in Europe?


14 posted on 04/12/2012 2:58:40 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
I hadn't even heard of them before moving here, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocatechumenal_Way#Regional_Statistics gives their break-up across countries
15 posted on 04/12/2012 6:01:51 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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——Some parts of the Eucharistic prayers are omitted, and laity saying the homily-——

Those are serious abuses. And we know where the spirit of disobedience comes from.


16 posted on 04/12/2012 6:14:54 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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