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To: alancarp
All I can say is:

Luke 23:34 “Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.”

Luther's false teachings have lead to 25,000 + Christian denominations. It has destroyed Christian unity and you don't see the devil's hand in it. I agree that some people in the Catholic Church have not always done right by Christ and his teachings, but those people are not the church. The truth of the Catholic Church stands on it's own.

70 posted on 04/16/2012 10:04:25 AM PDT by JPII Be Not Afraid
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid
I was gonna leave it alone, but... you've compelled me. Luther (and Calvin and Zwingli, et al) were not wrong. And they didn't destroy unity - there is ample evidence in the scriptures themselves that 'Christian unity' is a nice, but unachievable goal (start with Paul and Barnabus).

The crime of the Reformers was in pointing out the errors of the church. Each one of them did so knowing that they risked their lives to espouse their opinions against an unwilling-to-listen church, which ruled almost by compulsion (not unlike Islam of today). These men didn't act on a whim or out of revenge or for any other reason than simply wanting to fix an inherent problem. They were highly educated (by the church!), they wrote multiple volumes on the problems they saw, they tried to fix the church from within. Finally, an intransigent church forced them to break away. These were men of supreme courage and devotion. We would all do well to know the scriptures as they did, and to use that knowledge in the education of others.

What the Reformers did was twofold:
1. Provided necessary correction where error existed (and still does);
2. Brought God's Word to the masses, and thus brought choice... and, in truth, accountability as well.

I ignored this topic earlier. You can call what they did as a break in Christian Unity, but I don't -- it resulted in spreading the gospel to the world.

Yes, the RCC stands on its own.... but it stands apart from the foundational Biblical truths of God's Word which are hidden behind so-called traditions. Heck, I even have to take issue with the use of that very word. We 'traditionally' celebrate Christmas on December 25th. Scripture doesn't indicate this, but doctrinally, it is meaningless. But having important doctrines that flat-out contradict scripture or make up things not present isn't 'tradition'. There's another word for it. Heresy.

80 posted on 04/16/2012 2:00:24 PM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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