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Defining Supersessionism
Theological Studies ^ | Michael Vlach

Posted on 05/07/2012 2:38:10 PM PDT by wmfights

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To: GiovannaNicoletta
For Heaven's sake, they have the same belief system as the Nazis.

Godwin's Law may apply here.

21 posted on 05/07/2012 6:01:18 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: daniel1212

If the “holy men” actually did believe that God is finished with Israel and had replaced Israel with the Church they had to deny Scripture to believe that and weren’t “holy” as they may have believed they were.


22 posted on 05/07/2012 6:03:33 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: PapaBear3625
And some cold, hard facts definitely apply here.

"Unfortunately, the Reformation produced no changes in attitude. In fact, the hatred of the Jews was reinforced and intensified by the writings of Martin Luther, the very man who launched the Reformation. Initially, Luther was sympathetic toward the Jews because he believed their rejection of the Gospel was due to their recognition of the corruption of the Roman Catholic Church. But when they continued to reject the Gospel, Luther turned on them with a vengeance. In 1543 he wrote a pamphlet entitled “Concerning The Jews and Their Lies.” The document was an anti-Semitic diatribe. In it, he referred to the Jews as:a"

Having dehumanized and demonized them, Luther then proceeded to make some startling proposals for dealing with them:

Needless to say, the Nazis gleefully quoted Luther as they rose to power and launched the Holocaust. In his book Mein Kampf, published in 1925, Adolf Hitler referred to Martin Luther as “a great warrior, a true statesmen, and a great reformer.” Keep in mind that Hitler was a professed Christian. In 1924 at a Christian gathering in Berlin, Hitler spoke to thousands and received a standing ovation when he made the following proclamation: “I believe that today I am acting in accordance with the will of Almighty God as I announce the most important work that Christians could undertake - and that is to be against the Jews and get rid of them once and for all.”(21) Hitler then proceeded to talk about the influence of Luther on his life: “Martin Luther has been the greatest encouragement of my life. Luther was a great man. He was a giant. With one blow he heralded the coming of the new dawn and the new age. He saw clearly that the Jews need to be destroyed, and we’re only beginning to see that we need to carry this work on.”(22) At the Nuremberg trials after World War II, the Nazi leader, Julius Streicher, defended himself by saying, “I have never said anything that Martin Luther did not say.”(23)

The terrible truth that Christians do not like to face, and which many are unaware of, is that the Holocaust was the product of 1,900 years of virulent Christian anti-Semitism."

Replacement theologists, Nazis. One and the same.

23 posted on 05/07/2012 6:17:59 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
“Replacement theologists, Nazis. One and the same.”

Hence the liberal church, no longer believes in the Word of God, believes itself to be a replacement for God's chosen people, allies itself with the Antichrists of this world (Muslims), and turns its hatred toward God's fulfillment of His Word(the nation of Israel).

Only God knows where Israel(the lost tribes)have been scattered throughout the world. Only He can unite them into one staff with Judah and Benjamin (who currently make up the modern nation of Israel).

The strange thing is that the nation of Judah(southern kingdom) now lives in what was once the land belonging to the lost tribes, and the West Bank is made up of Judah and Samaria, and considered by the liberal church as occupied land belonging to the Ismaelites.

There are those who believe the Church contains within it the lost tribes (Israel), and God is bringing them together with Judah to face in the end times the assault of the people of the Antichrist. Shiites believe they are Gog and Magog, and their Islamic theologians teach that Gog and Magog are the victors in the end time battle.

We as Christians are Zionist because we believe in a Jewish God, a Jewish Messiah (Yeshua) who will rule the world in peach from Zion. The liberal church tries to replace this with a poor substitution.

24 posted on 05/07/2012 6:42:57 PM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
If you remember that replacement theologists are not actual, born-again true believers in Jesus Christ, it makes perfect sense that they don't believe Scripture and believe that God lies.

For Heaven's sake, they have the same belief system as the Nazis. Don't have any expectations that they are going to sound or believe or act like Christians. They are not Christians.

So, y'all let me know when the pogrom begins, OK.

25 posted on 05/07/2012 7:52:20 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Yulee; GiovannaNicoletta
Hence the liberal church, no longer believes in the Word of God, believes itself to be a replacement for God's chosen people, allies itself with the Antichrists of this world (Muslims), and turns its hatred toward God's fulfillment of His Word(the nation of Israel).

FWIW, the erroneous belief in supersessionism is as old as the state church model and is a belief held by the Protestant churches and the Roman church.

26 posted on 05/07/2012 8:08:55 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: Quix; daniel1212
I believe that Supersessionism is an OBFUSCATING weasel, whitewashing TERM instead of a clarifying, edifying, informing term.

I understand your anger. I am using the academic term supersessionism because I have had Reformed Brothers and Sisters in Christ indicate that the term Replacement Theology is insulting to them and I would like them to consider the subject with an open mind. The Reformed are great on Sola Scriptura but seem to have a blind spot when it comes to eschatology. I believe they are blind to how much of the Roman Theology they took with them when they left the Roman system.

FWIW, I think the author makes a great point about supersessionism. In this belief God is done with Israel, but yet the nation has been reformed and has survived repeated attacks even though their enemies greatly out number them.

27 posted on 05/07/2012 8:22:44 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights

I understand and thought that likely.

Soooo . . . being the helpful . . . uhhh . . . off the wall goad . . . I decided to take the role of saying such things. LOL.

I have something to contribute from Walid Shoebat’s book GOD’S WAR ON TERROR on your topic as soon as I can get to it.

LUB


28 posted on 05/07/2012 8:28:09 PM PDT by Quix (Time is short: INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta; PapaBear3625
The terrible truth that Christians do not like to face, and which many are unaware of, is that the Holocaust was the product of 1,900 years of virulent Christian anti-Semitism."

The perverse irony of this is Jews today are wary of Born Again Evangelical Christians and are more inclined to trust "liberal" churches.

29 posted on 05/07/2012 8:28:20 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
For Heaven's sake, they have the same belief system as the Nazis.

Thanks for really raising the level of discourse around here. /s

Let's just all demonstrate our Christian charity by denouncing all who disagree with us on any point of exegesis as Nazis.

30 posted on 05/07/2012 8:49:31 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: wmfights

Thanks for the ping!


31 posted on 05/07/2012 8:52:45 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
The terrible truth that Christians do not like to face, and which many are unaware of, is that the Holocaust was the product of 1,900 years of virulent Christian anti-Semitism

Nice example of propagating the lies told about Christianity by atheists. The Holocaust was the product of a neopagan, statist, Darwinist ideology based on racism and the mindless, idolatrous deification of an individual.

The Nazis used Martin Luther they same way they used anyone else who could be twisted to agree with them. But in fact, their ideology and their persecution of the Jews had nothing to do with either the Christian or Jewish religions at all. It was solely racist hatred and scapegoating.

That is why Jews who converted to Christianity, including to those denominations of Christianity you are so wrongly denouncing as "Nazi," were murdered just as readily as Jews who held to their religion. Case in point: St. Edith Stein, born to a Jewish family in Breslau, Germany. Became a Catholic Carmelite nun in Holland. Gassed in Auschwitz in 1942.

Any questions?

32 posted on 05/07/2012 8:56:10 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: wmfights
Here's the excerpt from Walid Shoebat's GOD'S WAR ON TERROR pp209-210 [Quixicated]:

. . .

In all the passages that we have looked at which describe the battles that take place when Jesus returns, they are all concerning the nation of Israel. In fact, the centrality of Israel in ALL end-time prophecy is an essential part of the picture which many Westerners fail to acknowledge.

. . .

Again, there is only one "gathering of the nations" against Israel: ... (Zechariah 14:2). ... (Matthew 25:32) . . . (Joel 3:2) Any honest reading of Joel 2 will have to concludde that the nations are judged according to THEIR TREATMENT OF ISRAEL. This passage is literal and is not meant to be read symbolically or allegorically in any way. . . .

. . .

. . . In Joel 3, God is in the valley of Jehosaphat (which means the Lord judges). There He will judge all who participated in dividing up His land. Read it carefully. Now, if Antichrist wants Jerusalem divided and Christ condemns this division, Yet you are for this division, which side are you on? Christ's or Antichrist's? . . .

Is this all too difficult for you to swallow? Well, everyone must swallow--either swallow God's Wrod or swallow His wrath. The choice is yours. . . .

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I've increasingly been aware that there are far more Scriptures affirming God's EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH THE BLOOD CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB than I ever realized. They are all over the place. They are clearly so because of the whole sentence or paragraph or sometimes because of a key phrase. I should get a new print Bible and read it through and mark all of them. I'm guessing there are more than 50 that are clearly emphatic about the issue.

It only takes one such Scripture to understand God's will in the matter. . . . for those with eyes to see and ears to hear and hearts genuinely seeking God's face, values, priorities and will.

33 posted on 05/07/2012 9:09:54 PM PDT by Quix (Time is short: INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
If you remember that replacement theologists are not actual, born-again true believers in Jesus Christ

There is no reason to "remember" any such thing.

35 posted on 05/07/2012 10:02:55 PM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
"I prefer to think of Israel as the vine upon which us wild shoots are grafted, but, hey, I just read the Bible."

Well, if you read the Bible you'll know then who said he was the "true vine". A shoot is a shoot and a grafted one is better than one broken off. And there is only one path to become part of the vine again.

36 posted on 05/08/2012 3:41:18 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Lee N. Field

Let me know when God’s promises to His chosen, covenant people were fulfilled.


37 posted on 05/08/2012 4:16:55 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: Campion
Cry me a river.

I provided proof that the Nazis took up Martin Luther's antiSemitism and replacement theology and used it as justification to slaughter six million of God's chosen people.

I guess it's impossible to "raise the discourse" with a "doctrine" and those who believe in it who have so much in common with mass murderers.

I'm not responsible for the chosen belief of replacement theology that other people hold, and I don't have to deny the filthy truth about that because it might not "raise the discourse".

There are Bible-rejecting, liberal "churches" who support abortion. Why don't we worry about the "discourse" when we speak the truth about that?

38 posted on 05/08/2012 4:25:17 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: Campion

So you’re denying the direct quotes made by the Nazis in the post?


39 posted on 05/08/2012 4:26:14 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: RansomOttawa
Can you provide the Scripture where man can deny any part of the Word of God and be born again?

Before you answer, keep in mind the following:

For You have magnified Your word according to all Your name. (Psalm 138:2)

and

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. (John 1:1-5)

And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:14)

So, knowing that God magnifies His Word above His own name, and knowing that Jesus Christ is the Word of God, please explain to me how anyone can deny any part of Scripture and know Christ as Savior.

Thanks.

40 posted on 05/08/2012 4:33:08 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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