Posted on 05/10/2012 6:54:21 AM PDT by cleghornboy
But if she waited and drowned the baby when he/she was 2 years old....she’d go to jail. Sorry...it doesn’t wash.
THOU SHALT NOT MURDER.
I am Jewish and murder is the ONE sin there is not, and cannot ever be, forgiveness for. Ever.
Ever? Really?
1. She knows damn well that the baby is alive in her.
2. She conspires with someone to take her to the place where she'll murder her baby.
3. She makes an appointment with the abortionist to murder her baby.
4. The person who checks her in at the abortuary knows fully well that this woman is going to murder her baby.
5. The abortionist murders her baby.
6. She pays the abortionist after having had him murder her baby.
Sure seems like premeditated murder to me. The baby is nothing more than a defined "fetus," and is therefore able to be murdered with no consequence.
what a pile of baloney
how can some wannabe theologian lecture Catholics about “not judging” women who abort their children while denying communion to those who divorce?
Even Jesus forgave from the cross.
Remember, we are all sinners in need of repentence.
David the King was never forgiven?
Evil is evil, no excuses. I personally know of too many cases where the woman was begged by the man (in several cases her own husband) to have the children, and her family, and the church, but she murdered them anyway because there is nothing the man can do to stop her, except kidnap her forcibly. I personally experienced this with an allegedly pro-life catholic girl, who said she wanted children as much as I did; she wasn’t even going to tell me she was pregnant, but at the last minute she did, two days before she murdered them. I gave her contacts and paperwork for adoption, offered her $40k cash plus paying ail here medical expenses to have the twins, offered to sign a legal agreement that she would have no responsibility, and other arrangements. Of course I would have married her even before this, but she was not interested... She killed them; she already had three children, so she knew what she was doing. I know of way too many other men that have been through the same, so lets not pretend these women are always victims.
Well, that definitely leaves out David, who had Bathsheba’s husband killed so he could steal his wife, and perhaps even Moses himself, depending on the circumstances when he killed the Egyptian and then fled the country.
If I've missed something, please give me the direct quote.
Internal guilt is not identical to legal culpability.
However it is not relevant to this article. This aticle is about internal guilt, not criminal culpability. Two different things.
Well, yeah. Not sure how you can separate internal guilt from the actual crime. A woman murders her baby and later feels guilty. I guess she should. But to absolve her from her criminal actions is absurd.
Yes, ever. Here is why. To be redeemed, you MUST be able to ask your VICTIM for forgiveness, and you MUST repent so that the victim knows. You cannot ask the VICTIM of a murder to forgive you like you can ask someone you robbed or hit or even raped. You cannot say you are sorry to the dead.
Abortion is not an accident, it is a choice. Furthermore, it is premeditated. The combination compounds the issue. The dilemma is irreconcilable and you could live like Mother Theresa for the rest of your natural life and still not be redeemed. It is impossible. EVER.
You are exactly right. Ever wonder why Moses never crossed over Jordan?
What about the sinner on the cross. He didn’t ask for forgiveness and Jesus said He’d see him in eternity.
The sinner was a thief, not a murderer.
In relation to a Christian’s response to a continued sin, was Paul being judgmental when he told the Corinthian Christians to remove themselves from the man who had taken his father’s wife?
In order for sin to be forgiven, it must be repented of. If sin is not seen as sin by the sinner, the sinner cannot repent. How can sinners be taught, unless someone teach them?
Whenever possible, live at peace with all men is a Christian mandate. Certainly, in dealing with sinners, compassion must be our first emotion, as Christ exemplified, but that does not mean we are never to make judgment calls. Telling someone they have no right to judge others is out of harmony with Bible teaching. But the judgements Christians are encouraged to make are for the purpose of growing the Kingdom and safeguarding the Truth, not for determining who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. Only God can do that.
“Hate the sin, love the sinner” is instructional to a degree, but does not completely cover the entire issue. Many have taken from this phrase that active sin should not be addresses as wrong, but that we should just love the person into seeing for themselves without giving them instruction, that their sin is wrong.
Badabing.
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