Posted on 05/17/2012 5:40:57 PM PDT by Gamecock
We are experiencing exactly the opposite at our parish. I think it has to do with a realization that Scripture isn't some mythological story or a fictitious morality play. It is a history of the Church.
"To be deep into history is to cease to be Protestant." - Blessed John Cardinal Newman
No wonder Catholics don't understand Scripture. They don't even know what it is.
If Catholics can’t even quote another human being with integrity, there’s no way to trust them to interpret Scripture with integrity.
And so the Catholic church has. It is OBVIOUS that you don't know Scripture, which leaves you vulnerable to all kinds of deceit from the teachings of man.
That struck me as being more than just a little askew, myself.
Funny, I don’t recall seeing the Roman Pontifex Maximus held in any particular level of regard in the Bible, let alone being recognized as the Vicar of Christ on Earth, as the Roman Catholic Church claims.
Maybe there’s an elaborate errata sheet explaining that little historical oversight, somewhere.
The real argument is that Catholics do not accept your interpretations. Until you can substantiate your claim to infallibility we will continue follow our Magisterium.
To continue to imply that Catholicism is unscriptural is simply fallacious and it a poorly veiled attack on the beliefs of individual Catholics when you attempt to lump us all together with another gross mischaracterization. It may assuage the scrutiny of the mods and draw the approval of the like minded, but there are no secrets from God who knows your heart and your intentions. The Gospel of Jesus is one of kindness, love and charity. He calls us to unity, not to proclaim our superiority and individuality at the expense of others. The love of God is much more than the ability to recite Scripture. It is manifest in our works of charity. For this I will continue to pray for you.
"It is by the path of love, which is charity, that God draws near to man, and man to God. But where charity is not found, God cannot dwell. If, then, we possess charity, we possess God, for "God is Charity"" - St. Albert the Great
"The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love." 1 John 4:8
Hmmmm....and...
"To be deep into scripture is to cease to be Catholic." - the blessed HarleyD
That is a clever turn of phrase, but it would only be true if I were to concede that Scripture and history are two separate things. For Catholics that simply is not true. Scripture is a literal history of our Church.
Peace be with you.
MY OBSERVATIONS are congruent with that.
Amen!
Interesting. The Catholic Church has equated the holy word of God for the literal history of the Church-at least a history that favors the current thought or teaching of the day. While I would disagree the word of God to be the history of the church, I certainly can’t deny that Catholics don’t view it in this term.
“They are bitter because they know in their heart of hearts that they are “playing church” when they go to a Protestant denomination to “play family”.”
Two words: Newt Gingrich.
Passover was done in REMEMBRANCE of the first and actual Passover, it wasn't a re-enactment of it. In the Passover ceremony, the cup they drank was wine, not blood. The blood was NOT to be eaten.
As observant Jews, the disciples would not have drank the cup of the new covenant at what we call the Last Supper if they really thought it was actual blood. It would have made them ceremonially unclean for the observance of the Passover. And it would have been impossible for Jesus to break His own commandments against eating blood and demand that His disciples do it knowing it would cause them to sin.
You know, in all the years of reading and sometimes participating in these discussions, I have not seen this proof before of how the wine can NOT be changed into the blood. Very good. I am sure it falls on deaf ears though.
Thank you.
And it does.
You need to brush up on your vacant knowledge of Mormonism. Your ignorance is showing again.
While Mormons believe Jesus is the son of God, they do not believe He is God.
Big difference.
The vast majority of ex-Catholics I know literally hate the RCC. They couldn’t leave it fast enough. And this was before I took much interest in it. It seemed strange to hold so much anomosity against an institution.
I studied it and now I nderstand why. It is not Bible-based and it contradicts the word of God continually.
“Except that God is NOT present in the eucharist. Spiritual life is imparted by grace through faith, not through eating God. Spiritual life is not imparted to the believer by physical actions and works or ceremonies.
Scripture is more than clear on the prohibition of eating blood. IF the church were correct about that, then it would be insanity to leave but if they’re not correct, then what they’re teaching is heresy itself.
Passover was done in REMEMBRANCE of the first and actual Passover, it wasn’t a re-enactment of it. In the Passover ceremony, the cup they drank was wine, not blood. The blood was NOT to be eaten.”
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metmom,
You’ll return at the Great Warning, MO. You are Protestant RIGHT NOW denying the Real Presence. You do not understand. Let me help.
The Eucharist is a gift from God, it is God Himself.
The Eucharist is not “meat” or the protest of cannibalism. It is the “risen” Lord. Jesus wants you to believe by faith that it is all of Him. How can that be? It would have to be supernatural! Don’t limit God, He can change something in an instant.
The “spirit and life” verse means, Jesus wants you to
understand and have faith in something supernatural NOT
by a human way of thinking.
Jesus used the word “remembrance” in speaking to the
Apostles, the first priests. He’s instructing them to
do the very same. Confect the Eucharist, they did and
all priests since...to this day.
Protestants took that “word” and now use it to mean
communion is a remembrance of Christ’s death on the Cross
or you say a REMEMBRANCE of Passover. No, much more, Jesus Christ is the New Covenant Passover Lamb, that you agree.
What did they do in the Old Covenant after they sacrifice the Passover Lamb? They consumed it. In the New Covenant, we consume God! Think how humble of God metmom. You consume the New Covenant Passover Lamb who is fully present in the most Holy Eucharist.
Protestants cannot confect the Eucharist so came up with
these excuses...new meanings. They’re nonsense. No offense.
You have a choice, juice and crackers and sometimes bread and wine OR go forward and receive Our Lord Himself, body, blood, soul and divinity! Remember, it’s is supernatural, you have to believe by faith. You don’t see a change in the consecrated host, that takes pure faith. Having faith pleases God.
“Faith alone” is heresy. I shared at FR a Protestant message from Heaven given April 1st where Our Lord sets it straight one more time.
OSAS ~ False
Altar Call justifies you ~ False
Prosperity Gospel ~ False
Time is short, the message to follow, to the same messenger, Our Lord states the “Rapture” belief is a lie. Kevin Barrett is the messenger. He receives teaching messages, they aren’t light-hearted.
Here’s his website. It’s the second and third most recent
messages.
http://www.hearhisheart.wordpress.com/
God bless you,
I understand the concept (and I’ve never been involved in one); I think it makes sense.
All the way back to Nimrod...
People walked away from Jesus, and He didn’t trip arse over elbow to accomodate them. You may think He had some kind of shortcoming in the evangelization department, but He spread the faith as opposed to what others wanted it to be.
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