"Go and sin no more"...being born again and real salvation means no more sinning.

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[fabian]

There is a power and technique that the church has missed. The quiet stillness where real salvation is gifted to us effortlessly is real prayer. Please find it so we can all fight for our nation and right much more effectively!

[JustSayNoToNannies]

Obviously Paul was not yet saved....

Then what did he mean by saying in verse 2 of the very next chapter, "For the law of the spirit of life, in Christ Jesus, hath delivered me from the law of sin and of death"?

1 John 3:7-15

That doesn't answer my question. Do you have an answer?

[JustSayNoToNannies]

Obviously Paul was not yet saved....

Then what did he mean by saying in verse 2 of the very next chapter, "For the law of the spirit of life, in Christ Jesus, hath delivered me from the law of sin and of death"?

are you going to now try and prove the most blessed John wrong?

That also doesn't answer my question. Do you have an answer?

[fabian]

This is my answer and you have no reply but to use another scripture. All you have is a shallow intellectual knowledge of truth, not the real salvation. Sorry...it is true. This is my answer and it blows away all of the excuse making of all on this thread..period!
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

Don’t bs me...deal directly with what John said! now...

[Tramonto]

All you have is a shallow intellectual knowledge of truth, not the real salvation.

Is this the double secret probation salvation you speak of?

[fabian]

No, it is this salvation that John the blessed wrote of..
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

[HarleyD]

you are simply wrong...

I'll just quote from John and leave it at that:

1Jo 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

And John is certainly talking to Christians and about himself as well. The difference between the version of 1 John 3:9 ("he cannot sin") and 1 John 1:8 ("if we say we have no sin") can be found in this verse:

1Ti 5:20 As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

Every true Christian still sins but doesn't persist in sin. Every non-Christian doesn't care. If there are tares among the fold who are persisting in sin, then we should call them out simply so that true believers are reminded of the gravity of sin. And we should stand in fear when we sin. Fear not of losing our souls but fear that we should dishonor God and rightfully bring down corrective measures on us. We are His ambassadors and we represent the King. We are to behave accordingly.

[fabian]

Once again you are misusing John’s quote. tHat is obviously meant that all have sinned..not that we cannot be free of it!

No, it is this salvation that John the blessed wrote of..
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

[Gamecock]

Obviously Paul is talking about before salvation.

Oh really?

"Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin."

The plain sense of the text is Paul is saved but still sins in the flesh. Present tense, not past tense is what we are reading here.

[fabian]

Whatever..keep excusing away your sins with the bible. John lived with Jesus and he said...
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

He is correct and I no longer sin, it is not hard.

[fabian]

Sounds to me like he is saying he no longer sins. You intellectuals read all sort of thing into scripture...and he also are reading a translation from Greek, no? Ever heard of mistranslations? That is the problem with basing your entire argument on the bible.

[fabian]

Very revealing how not one single person on this debate addressed directly and frankly John’s statement on not being able to sin once we have the salvation spirit.

[JustSayNoToNannies]

Obviously Paul was not yet saved....

Then what did he mean by saying in verse 2 of the very next chapter, "For the law of the spirit of life, in Christ Jesus, hath delivered me from the law of sin and of death"?

are you going to now try and prove the most blessed John wrong?

That also doesn't answer my question. Do you have an answer?

Sounds to me like he is saying he no longer sins.

Even though you say he "was not yet saved"? You've lost the thread of your own argument.

That is the problem with basing your entire argument on the bible.

Well, this is a new insight ... on what besides the Bible do you base your argument?

[fabian]

I answered your questions...now answer mine about John saying we cannot sin when saved..deal with it! I do not think you can.

[JustSayNoToNannies]

Obviously Paul was not yet saved....

Then what did he mean by saying in verse 2 of the very next chapter, "For the law of the spirit of life, in Christ Jesus, hath delivered me from the law of sin and of death"?

are you going to now try and prove the most blessed John wrong?

That also doesn't answer my question. Do you have an answer?

Sounds to me like he is saying he no longer sins.

Even though you say he "was not yet saved"? You've lost the thread of your own argument.

I answered your questions...

In an utterly incoherent manner.

now answer mine about John saying we cannot sin when saved..deal with it! I do not think you can

I second what Cvengr said very well on that question in .

That is the problem with basing your entire argument on the bible.

Well, this is a new insight ... on what besides the Bible do you base your argument?

Why won't you tell us on what besides the Bible you base your argument?

[fabian]

The spirit within testifies to us. You are too involved with your intellect and it is playing like the holy spirit, but it is not that at all.
You and all others have failed to directly confront what the blessed John said that we simply CANNOT sin once we have that saved spirit within. You have not and neither does post 93 address it. O well.

[JustSayNoToNannies]

John’s point is clearly that sin is never an expression of abiding in Christ. When we abide we do not sin at all.

Verse 9 is a further development of this point. No believer ever sins as an expression of his new nature. Insofar as the believer expresses his new nature in his experience, he will not sin because God’s seed remains in him (1 John 3:9b).

Alford notes that “If the child of God falls into sin, it is an act against [his] nature” (Hebrews-Revelation, p.465). Likewise, Brooke writes:

“The fact that he has been begotten of God excludes the possibility of his committing sin as an expression of his true character, though actual sins may, and do, occur so far as he fails from weakness to realize his true character.” (The Johannine Epistles, p.89)

[...] God perseveres. Saints at best fail daily. First John 3:9 is a call to holiness. Our new natures are pure and holy. Let us live in our experience like we are in our position. Of course, there is a mystery here. John said in 1 John 1:8,10 that believers cannot attain to sinless perfection in their experience.

- http://www.faithalone.org/magazine/y1990/90march2.html

[JustSayNoToNannies]

1 John 1:7-10 states,

But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Elsewhere in Scripture it is clear that believers can choose to practice sin. In Romans 6:12-13 Paul admonishes his readers,

Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.

Paul’s admonition shows that it is possible for a believer to let sin reign in the body, but it also shows that it is possible for a believer to refuse to let sin reign. And in verses 14-16 Paul makes it clear that, while sin cannot cause God’s law to send believers to hell, choosing to sin can cause believers to become enslaved to it. He says,

For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under the law but under grace. 15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Paul’s admonition, however, does not imply that there is no observable difference in the behavior of a believer and that of an unbeliever. 1 John 3:10 explains, “In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.” But this verse also explains that the primary observable difference between the behavior of a believer and that of an unbeliever involves love (or concern for the wellbeing) of other believers. 1 John 3:11-19 supports this understanding.

Conclusion: Because true believers possess God’s seed and it is not able to sin, their behavior will be observably different from that of unbelievers. This difference will be especially evident in their love and concern for other believers.

- http://sharperiron.org/article/1-john-39-%E2%80%93-those-born-of-god-do-not-sin

[JustSayNoToNannies]

The key to understanding this verse is found in the next verse in which John contrasts the nature of the children of God with the nature of the children of the devil. We read,

1Jo 3:10 In this [born of God] the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

The children of the devil operating out of a corrupt nature are incapable of the love and righteousness of God. In contrast, the children of God are born again of the seed of Christ, a nature that is pure and of a holy God. We do possess the righteousness and love of God.

As believers in Christ we have God's Holy Spirit (Christ) within us, and we are indwelt with the love of God, being delivered from the power of sin, Satan and his kingdom of darkness. We have been regenerated with a new nature, one that is incompatible with the hate or nature of the devil in a contrast of light versus darkness. God's seed remains in us and this is what is meant by "he cannot sin" because "he is born of God." There is nothing that we can do to corrupt that seed or the new nature that is placed within us, even though we can still sin in the flesh.

We read,

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Christ's seed within us is not perishable nor corruptible; it is immortal!

1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

When we abide in Christ we cannot sin because there is no sin in Him and there is nothing that we can do to change or corrupt that nature that God has given to us. The Apostle John is demonstrating the sharp contrast between the children of God and the children of the devil. He exhorts the church to walk in God's love, and as it states in verse 3, "And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure." Christ dwells in the believer and likewise the believer is exhorted to also dwell in Him, for this is our true and God-given nature in which we were sealed.

1Jo 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he [Christ] is righteous.

This section of Scripture in 1 John 3:9 is not saying that a Christian is incapable of committing sin, for any Christian can commit sin. If a Christian cannot sin then there would be no need to seek forgiveness, in contrast we are clearly instructed in God's Word that,

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

We still struggle with the weaknesses and the lusts of the flesh, but by the regeneration of the Holy Spirit we are now sons of God and new creatures in Christ. Unlike the unregenerate soul, we have the conviction and power of the Holy Spirit (Spirit of Truth) to assist us in our struggle with sin and the carnal nature and a conscience to guide us; however the unbeliever is not illuminated in this fashion. A good example of regeneration is found in its relation to biology described as "Regrowth of lost or destroyed parts or organs." As Christians, we are delivered from the condemnation of the fallen nature or a life of perpetual darkness and corruption, instead we are restored to life and have become partakers of the divine nature of God. This new nature remains eternally present with us!

- http://www.battleinchrist.com/what_does_1john_3.htm

[Cvengr]

1stJohn 1:9 provides the solution to post-salvation sin.

If we don’t sin after salvation, there would be need for 1st John Chapter 1.

[fabian]

There is nothing that we can do to corrupt that seed or the new nature that is placed within us, even though we can still sin in the flesh. if you believe this, which you apparently do, then you are totally denying the real power of the holy spirit over the dark spirits of demons. For your info the only thing that compels us to sin is our pride and it's agreement with the demons that motivate that sin. Once the seed , or holy spirt, of God cleanses us of the darkness, there simply is no more desire or motivation to sin. There can still be mental temptations and the devil loves to try and temp the most blessed saved people...but it simply is not possible to fall any longer. That is exactly what John said.
The problem with you and millions of weak Christians, is you think you have it all figured out but it really is much much simpler and more powerful that you can figure with all of your bible reading and excuses for continuing to sin. I know you and your ilk do not see them as excuses, but they are.
If you and others would really be willing t obe humble and Be still, you would truly become born again. Aside from that, you really cannot get what I have been blessed with myself. Do I still make errors such as landing the wrong job by trial and error and such, yes. I just learn and I also do not sin. Small mistakes are not sin. Sin is anger and pride...all smaller sins emanate from those two biggies.