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"Go and sin no more"...being born again and real salvation means no more sinning.
Youtube ^ | 07/12/12 | fabian

Posted on 07/12/2012 10:33:02 AM PDT by fabian

There is a power and technique that the church has missed. The quiet stillness where real salvation is gifted to us effortlessly is real prayer. Please find it so we can all fight for our nation and right much more effectively!


TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: apostasy; bornagain; redemption; roymasters; salvation; sinning; wayofthemaster
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To: fabian
Obviously Paul was not yet saved....

Then what did he mean by saying in verse 2 of the very next chapter, "For the law of the spirit of life, in Christ Jesus, hath delivered me from the law of sin and of death"?

1 John 3:7-15

That doesn't answer my question. Do you have an answer?

101 posted on 07/14/2012 10:06:24 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: fabian
Obviously Paul was not yet saved....

Then what did he mean by saying in verse 2 of the very next chapter, "For the law of the spirit of life, in Christ Jesus, hath delivered me from the law of sin and of death"?

are you going to now try and prove the most blessed John wrong?

That also doesn't answer my question. Do you have an answer?

102 posted on 07/14/2012 10:08:46 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

This is my answer and you have no reply but to use another scripture. All you have is a shallow intellectual knowledge of truth, not the real salvation. Sorry...it is true. This is my answer and it blows away all of the excuse making of all on this thread..period!
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

Don’t bs me...deal directly with what John said! now...


103 posted on 07/14/2012 10:19:13 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian
All you have is a shallow intellectual knowledge of truth, not the real salvation.

Is this the double secret probation salvation you speak of?

104 posted on 07/14/2012 10:31:47 PM PDT by Tramonto
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To: Tramonto

No, it is this salvation that John the blessed wrote of..
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God


105 posted on 07/15/2012 12:04:55 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian; JustSayNoToNannies
you are simply wrong...

I'll just quote from John and leave it at that:

1Jo 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

And John is certainly talking to Christians and about himself as well. The difference between the version of 1 John 3:9 ("he cannot sin") and 1 John 1:8 ("if we say we have no sin") can be found in this verse:

1Ti 5:20 As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

Every true Christian still sins but doesn't persist in sin. Every non-Christian doesn't care. If there are tares among the fold who are persisting in sin, then we should call them out simply so that true believers are reminded of the gravity of sin. And we should stand in fear when we sin. Fear not of losing our souls but fear that we should dishonor God and rightfully bring down corrective measures on us. We are His ambassadors and we represent the King. We are to behave accordingly.

106 posted on 07/15/2012 4:18:18 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

Once again you are misusing John’s quote. tHat is obviously meant that all have sinned..not that we cannot be free of it!

No, it is this salvation that John the blessed wrote of..
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God


107 posted on 07/15/2012 10:12:13 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian; HarleyD
Obviously Paul is talking about before salvation.

Oh really?

"Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin."

The plain sense of the text is Paul is saved but still sins in the flesh. Present tense, not past tense is what we are reading here.

108 posted on 07/15/2012 1:53:48 PM PDT by Gamecock (The Gospel is only good news when we understand the bad news. ¬óR.C. Sproul)
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To: Gamecock

Whatever..keep excusing away your sins with the bible. John lived with Jesus and he said...
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

He is correct and I no longer sin, it is not hard.


109 posted on 07/15/2012 3:56:17 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Sounds to me like he is saying he no longer sins. You intellectuals read all sort of thing into scripture...and he also are reading a translation from Greek, no? Ever heard of mistranslations? That is the problem with basing your entire argument on the bible.


110 posted on 07/15/2012 4:01:57 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian

Very revealing how not one single person on this debate addressed directly and frankly John’s statement on not being able to sin once we have the salvation spirit.


111 posted on 07/15/2012 11:40:21 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian
Obviously Paul was not yet saved....

Then what did he mean by saying in verse 2 of the very next chapter, "For the law of the spirit of life, in Christ Jesus, hath delivered me from the law of sin and of death"?

are you going to now try and prove the most blessed John wrong?

That also doesn't answer my question. Do you have an answer?

Sounds to me like he is saying he no longer sins.

Even though you say he "was not yet saved"? You've lost the thread of your own argument.

That is the problem with basing your entire argument on the bible.

Well, this is a new insight ... on what besides the Bible do you base your argument?

112 posted on 07/16/2012 7:46:53 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

I answered your questions...now answer mine about John saying we cannot sin when saved..deal with it! I do not think you can.


113 posted on 07/16/2012 8:44:15 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian; Cvengr
Obviously Paul was not yet saved....

Then what did he mean by saying in verse 2 of the very next chapter, "For the law of the spirit of life, in Christ Jesus, hath delivered me from the law of sin and of death"?

are you going to now try and prove the most blessed John wrong?

That also doesn't answer my question. Do you have an answer?

Sounds to me like he is saying he no longer sins.

Even though you say he "was not yet saved"? You've lost the thread of your own argument.

I answered your questions...

In an utterly incoherent manner.

now answer mine about John saying we cannot sin when saved..deal with it! I do not think you can

I second what Cvengr said very well on that question in post #93.

That is the problem with basing your entire argument on the bible.

Well, this is a new insight ... on what besides the Bible do you base your argument?

Why won't you tell us on what besides the Bible you base your argument?

114 posted on 07/16/2012 9:06:47 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

The spirit within testifies to us. You are too involved with your intellect and it is playing like the holy spirit, but it is not that at all.
You and all others have failed to directly confront what the blessed John said that we simply CANNOT sin once we have that saved spirit within. You have not and neither does post 93 address it. O well.


115 posted on 07/16/2012 10:04:23 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian

John’s point is clearly that sin is never an expression of abiding in Christ. When we abide we do not sin at all.

Verse 9 is a further development of this point. No believer ever sins as an expression of his new nature. Insofar as the believer expresses his new nature in his experience, he will not sin because God’s seed remains in him (1 John 3:9b).

Alford notes that “If the child of God falls into sin, it is an act against [his] nature” (Hebrews-Revelation, p.465). Likewise, Brooke writes:

“The fact that he has been begotten of God excludes the possibility of his committing sin as an expression of his true character, though actual sins may, and do, occur so far as he fails from weakness to realize his true character.” (The Johannine Epistles, p.89)

[...] God perseveres. Saints at best fail daily. First John 3:9 is a call to holiness. Our new natures are pure and holy. Let us live in our experience like we are in our position. Of course, there is a mystery here. John said in 1 John 1:8,10 that believers cannot attain to sinless perfection in their experience.

- http://www.faithalone.org/magazine/y1990/90march2.html


116 posted on 07/16/2012 11:51:22 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: fabian

1 John 1:7-10 states,

But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Elsewhere in Scripture it is clear that believers can choose to practice sin. In Romans 6:12-13 Paul admonishes his readers,

Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.

Paul’s admonition shows that it is possible for a believer to let sin reign in the body, but it also shows that it is possible for a believer to refuse to let sin reign. And in verses 14-16 Paul makes it clear that, while sin cannot cause God’s law to send believers to hell, choosing to sin can cause believers to become enslaved to it. He says,

For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under the law but under grace. 15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Paul’s admonition, however, does not imply that there is no observable difference in the behavior of a believer and that of an unbeliever. 1 John 3:10 explains, “In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.” But this verse also explains that the primary observable difference between the behavior of a believer and that of an unbeliever involves love (or concern for the wellbeing) of other believers. 1 John 3:11-19 supports this understanding.

Conclusion: Because true believers possess God’s seed and it is not able to sin, their behavior will be observably different from that of unbelievers. This difference will be especially evident in their love and concern for other believers.

- http://sharperiron.org/article/1-john-39-%E2%80%93-those-born-of-god-do-not-sin


117 posted on 07/16/2012 11:54:29 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: fabian
The key to understanding this verse is found in the next verse in which John contrasts the nature of the children of God with the nature of the children of the devil. We read,

1Jo 3:10 In this [born of God] the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

The children of the devil operating out of a corrupt nature are incapable of the love and righteousness of God. In contrast, the children of God are born again of the seed of Christ, a nature that is pure and of a holy God. We do possess the righteousness and love of God.

As believers in Christ we have God's Holy Spirit (Christ) within us, and we are indwelt with the love of God, being delivered from the power of sin, Satan and his kingdom of darkness. We have been regenerated with a new nature, one that is incompatible with the hate or nature of the devil in a contrast of light versus darkness. God's seed remains in us and this is what is meant by "he cannot sin" because "he is born of God." There is nothing that we can do to corrupt that seed or the new nature that is placed within us, even though we can still sin in the flesh.

We read,

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Christ's seed within us is not perishable nor corruptible; it is immortal!

1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

When we abide in Christ we cannot sin because there is no sin in Him and there is nothing that we can do to change or corrupt that nature that God has given to us. The Apostle John is demonstrating the sharp contrast between the children of God and the children of the devil. He exhorts the church to walk in God's love, and as it states in verse 3, "And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure." Christ dwells in the believer and likewise the believer is exhorted to also dwell in Him, for this is our true and God-given nature in which we were sealed.

1Jo 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he [Christ] is righteous.

This section of Scripture in 1 John 3:9 is not saying that a Christian is incapable of committing sin, for any Christian can commit sin. If a Christian cannot sin then there would be no need to seek forgiveness, in contrast we are clearly instructed in God's Word that,

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

We still struggle with the weaknesses and the lusts of the flesh, but by the regeneration of the Holy Spirit we are now sons of God and new creatures in Christ. Unlike the unregenerate soul, we have the conviction and power of the Holy Spirit (Spirit of Truth) to assist us in our struggle with sin and the carnal nature and a conscience to guide us; however the unbeliever is not illuminated in this fashion. A good example of regeneration is found in its relation to biology described as "Regrowth of lost or destroyed parts or organs." As Christians, we are delivered from the condemnation of the fallen nature or a life of perpetual darkness and corruption, instead we are restored to life and have become partakers of the divine nature of God. This new nature remains eternally present with us!

- http://www.battleinchrist.com/what_does_1john_3.htm

118 posted on 07/16/2012 12:01:08 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: fabian

1stJohn 1:9 provides the solution to post-salvation sin.

If we don’t sin after salvation, there would be need for 1st John Chapter 1.


119 posted on 07/16/2012 1:06:45 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
There is nothing that we can do to corrupt that seed or the new nature that is placed within us, even though we can still sin in the flesh. if you believe this, which you apparently do, then you are totally denying the real power of the holy spirit over the dark spirits of demons. For your info the only thing that compels us to sin is our pride and it's agreement with the demons that motivate that sin. Once the seed , or holy spirt, of God cleanses us of the darkness, there simply is no more desire or motivation to sin. There can still be mental temptations and the devil loves to try and temp the most blessed saved people...but it simply is not possible to fall any longer. That is exactly what John said.
The problem with you and millions of weak Christians, is you think you have it all figured out but it really is much much simpler and more powerful that you can figure with all of your bible reading and excuses for continuing to sin. I know you and your ilk do not see them as excuses, but they are.
If you and others would really be willing t obe humble and Be still, you would truly become born again. Aside from that, you really cannot get what I have been blessed with myself. Do I still make errors such as landing the wrong job by trial and error and such, yes. I just learn and I also do not sin. Small mistakes are not sin. Sin is anger and pride...all smaller sins emanate from those two biggies.
120 posted on 07/16/2012 1:36:19 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian
it simply is not possible to fall any longer. That is exactly what John said.

Posts 116-118 explain at length why you're wrong about what John said. You need to stop getting spiritual direction from the guy who sells exercise equipment on YouTube.

121 posted on 07/16/2012 1:41:12 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: fabian
That is the problem with basing your entire argument on the bible.

Well, this is a new insight ... on what besides the Bible do you base your argument?

Why won't you tell us on what besides the Bible you base your argument?

Well?

122 posted on 07/16/2012 1:44:05 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

That guy is with the exercise invention is I! Hello! And all real Christians main source of truth is the same source that the authors of the bible had...the holy spirit. You even asking me that question shows that you are not really connected well to it.


123 posted on 07/16/2012 1:51:47 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian
Any voice that tells you to ignore Romans 7-8 is not the Holy Spirit.
124 posted on 07/16/2012 1:56:43 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

You do not know what you are writing...I never mentioned a voice. You just want to be right. that is your problem. It’s about you and defending your position more than the truth. Take care, Fabian


125 posted on 07/16/2012 2:17:14 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Well stated.


126 posted on 07/16/2012 2:52:35 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: fabian
I never mentioned a voice.

Pick that nit.

127 posted on 07/16/2012 2:53:54 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Whatever..


128 posted on 07/16/2012 3:10:01 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian; JustSayNoToNannies; Gamecock
May I suggest purchasing a good concordance?

PRACTICE makes perfect as they say.

Heb 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.

129 posted on 07/16/2012 5:07:07 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

John did not say practice in his quote that we cannot sin once we are born again. The seed of the holy spirit is powerful...yet christians deny it! Sad.


130 posted on 07/16/2012 8:35:06 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian
John did not say practice

Educate yourself: "In Greek when the present tense occurs it can be understood in a number of ways, one of which is the habitual present. [...] the habitual present refers to events which occur over and over again repeatedly." - http://www.faithalone.org/magazine/y1990/90march2.html

131 posted on 07/17/2012 7:59:31 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Another excuse for sinning. John and many other places in the bible make it clear that the holy spirit conquers the need to sin. No more dark spirit, no compulsion to sin. I am sorry you feel the need to try and make that not true...I am sure partly because you somehow still love your own sins.


132 posted on 07/17/2012 9:27:38 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian
Educate yourself: "In Greek when the present tense occurs it can be understood in a number of ways, one of which is the habitual present. [...] the habitual present refers to events which occur over and over again repeatedly." - http://www.faithalone.org/magazine/y1990/90march2.html

Another excuse for sinning.

Understanding the original Greek is an "excuse for sinning"? I'll just let that statement speak for itself.

133 posted on 07/17/2012 10:02:47 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: fabian
John and many other places in the bible make it clear that the holy spirit conquers the need to sin.

Romans 7-8 make it clear that Paul had the Holy Spirit but was sinning.

134 posted on 07/17/2012 10:09:37 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Whatever..keep excusing away your sins with the bible. John lived with Jesus and he said...
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

He is correct and I no longer sin, it is not hard.
It does not mean cannot practice sin..he clearly means the seed of God simply is too powerful for anyone filled with it to even desire to sin! You and your ilk are part of the apostasy...painful to admit but you are.


135 posted on 07/17/2012 10:53:50 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian
Yes I do know someone...more than one, people that do not sin. It is actually easy, once you are really born again.

Wow. I guess the Apostle Paul wasn't born again. I guess he, even though he was the example the Corinthians were to follow (1 Cor 11:1) was a bad example. After all, he freely admits: "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. " (Romans 7: 14 - 17)

Paul was still filled with sin...and DID it.

He goes on in Verse 19 - "For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do."

Sounds like Paul is still sinning. Too bad you weren't around 2000 years ago to give him advice about prayer and being born again!

As far as Mary going and sinning no more...or being angry and sinning not...there are written in the imperative mood. That means they are COMMANDS. Commands are made by one party to another and are meant to be followed. HOWEVER, by NO MEANS is there anything implied by the imperative mood that it WILL be followed by the recipient.

"Clean up your room!" Is an imperative. It means my son should clean his room. And it means my son WILL clean his room if he's obedient and sins not. However, it doesn't guarantee his room will be cleaned and if he fails to clean his room and sins (dishonors his father)...he will still be my son.

If sinning NO MORE AT ALL was what Paul and John has meant...they would have written this in the indicative mood...which is the mood of certainty....not the imperative mood...which is the mood of possibility.

136 posted on 07/17/2012 11:22:53 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: fabian
V 8 -He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 - Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Please...Please...Please actually study the scripture. And this isn't just me...but every theological scholar going back eons...and Greek scholar...regarding 1 John 3:8/9...

It is VERY clear from the entire context of 1 John...in conjunction with Pauls words in Romans 7...and with the fact the Greek renders "hamartanein" CLEARLY...and also in unison with Romans 6:1.

It means the act of habitual sin as if we aren't impacted by our salvation. Same concept is found in Romans 6:1...where Paul is speaking to CHRISTIANS. "Shall we continue in Sin so grace may abound?" Implying that beleivers CAN. NO! is the answer. It is a process of sanctification. Again, John is clear in 1:8...you deceive yourself if YOU say you have NO sin. Paul says HE STILL has sin.

It all has to line up without contradicting itself...and frankly...your interpretation fails that standard. You cannot get around Romans 7 and Paul's confession.

137 posted on 07/17/2012 11:37:23 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: fabian
He is correct and I no longer sin, it is not hard....You and your ilk are part of the apostasy...painful to admit but you are.

Ooops. I think you just sinned....and still are. Let's see if I can be a legalist too.

"You and your ilk are part of the apostasy..." - How should we handle "apostates?" "If any man doesn't obey our word by this epeistle...note that man...have no company with him...yet count him NOT as an enemy...but admonish him as a brother." (2 Thess 3:14, 15). Saying "of your ilk" violates that and is Sin. God will not honor that."

July 8th - "O my gosh....this is betrayal." - Gosh is the same as God. It's a cheap way around using the real word...usually by leagalists. It violates the command to not use the Lord's name in vain (emptiness).

July 4th: "yeah...what kind of BS is this! " - WOW! I think we all know what you meant. So...how do you justify that? Is this not filthy communication out of your mouth (Col 3:8)? Would you not consider this corrupt communication (Eph 4:29) since it doesn't edify. Would it be considered filthy talking (Eph 5:4)? Seems rotten to me...

June 5th - "wow, and you are for freedom? you are sounding like a real jerk." - Hmmm...see above verses. But if this person was a believer...FOUL. If this person was an unbeliever...FOUL. "Let your light so shine before men..." Matt 5:16

June 2nd - "Well, the truth is out! But they don’t give a shit...we need to take our nation back!" - WOW! See posts ABOVE. I suppose you don't sin anymore when you don't call anything sin. However...I have a VERY HARD time believing...no matter HOW you respond to this...that if Jesus Christ was to appear before you...and you two were walking and a field together...you would look down and say "Careful Lord...watch out for that big pile of fresh bull Sh*&! Look me in the keyboard and tell me you would say it just like that without the slightest hesitation. Then it's sin.

May 19 - "Yeah...free my ass."

May 4th - "Obama...you can kiss our rear ends!" - While a very popular sentiment, not Biblical. Paul and Peter both give us clear guidance about our leaders. None of which is to tell them to kiss it...

On May 14th you said - "We need to speak honestly and with love in order to be helpful" Yet I see post after post filled with anger, pride, insults. Now...you can certainly see plenty of that in mine as well...No cursing though...but lots of pride and the occasional hint that the person is a moron. However, I am not the person claiming to be without SIN!

I find this very sad. These are only a few of your posts going back a couple of months....and these are just your posts. What are you doing in LIFE? I think what is going on is you have a lack of conviction of sin...and that is dangerous. Believe me...it certainly isn't a lack of sin. The way you treat people is sin (and I am no way a hero in this regard). The way you speak is sin. It is not Glorifying to God. It is full of pride. You just lack conviction.

138 posted on 07/17/2012 12:17:31 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111; HarleyD; fabian

Thanks for doing the leg work on this.

I was about to start exploring what “sinless” posting looks like, you saved me the work.


139 posted on 07/17/2012 2:27:56 PM PDT by Gamecock (We don't come to Christ to be born again; rather, we are born again in order to come to Christ. RCS)
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To: Gamecock
In a word...it looks like: Hypocrisy.

Sin, by its VERY definition is missing the mark. There isn't some list and if you aren't checking the "sin" boxes you aren't sinning. No. Missing the mark is missing the PERFECTION of Christ.

I find it VERY hard to believe that Christ would post LIKE that...in THAT manner...using THAT language...with THOSE phrases to express His sentiments.

And THAT...by definition...is missing the mark.

140 posted on 07/17/2012 2:49:27 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111
The Prophet Isaiah was confronted with God's perfect holiness and was undone. It wasn't until he came before the Holy Throne that he realized exactly how sinful he was.

Luckily for most of us, God choose to graciously show us how sinful we are, a little at a time. Hence my statement upstream that the older I get, the more sinful I realize I am. Had He shown me all of my sinfulness at one time I would have no doubt been suicidal.

“But God.....”

141 posted on 07/17/2012 3:14:13 PM PDT by Gamecock (We don't come to Christ to be born again; rather, we are born again in order to come to Christ. RCS)
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To: NELSON111

O please...writing BS and jerk is not a sin. I am certainly not a mamby pamby christian, you are correct. However, for you in project an anger onto my words is a sin itself. It is not always a sin to say a curse word. Jesus had some pretty powerful words for his day of religious hypocrites. And I have reasoned with you. You and your “ilk” are people who, in the face of the obvious, continue to excuse away sin and water down the wonderful power of the holy spirit. I wish you well, but you and your ilk are indeed a bunch of weak and watered down religious intellectuals. Sorry...you have made that apparent, not anything I have done. Go ahead and judge me wrongly, that is your right.


142 posted on 07/17/2012 3:44:41 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: NELSON111

Just for your info..
my ass...jerk...ilk...do not equal sins. If they were said in resentment, or hate, yes. But they were not. You seem to know my attitude just by the written word which actually all have imparted my strongly held beliefs. Shame on you man. I will add HYPOCRITE to the descriptions...for YOU. : )


143 posted on 07/17/2012 4:16:16 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian

This is a good example of using very strong words to make his point...In Matthew 23 Jesus was pretty upset with the Pharisees and called them (publicly): fools, hypocrites (fakers), blind guides, damned, and a brood of vipers. All very strong words; however, the point was to shake the religious leaders to their spiritual blindness and error so that they would see the truth.

No malice has been meant by anything that I have written. If you have taken it that way it is a projection. Thank you.


144 posted on 07/17/2012 4:31:49 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian
O please...writing BS and jerk is not a sin.

Yes it is. Sin is missing the PERFECT mark of Christ. Sin is not just saying the wrong word...or saying a bad word. Sin is saying things out of the character and TIMING of Christ. That is the DEFINITION of sin.

I think you are confusing sin with transgression. And in that regard...I might tend to AGREE with you. You may not have transgressed (although name calling must be done RIGHTEOUSLY when judging [John 7:24]...and I am a little "iffy: that calling someone a "jerk" would be considered righteous judgment by God).

HOWEVER, You have CERTAINLY sinned. Sin is falling short of the Glory of God (Romans 3:23)...and falling short of acting as Christ would act is missing the mark.

And I KNOW the New Testament. And I KNOW if Christ were he to talk to us and post on FR...He would NOT post as you have posted...talk as you have talked. I also know YOU would not talk like that around Him.

So...while you may not have transgressed...you did not bring exact Glory to God and were not PERFECT in your response. THAT is SIN.

You need to learn the definitions. And the bottom line is this: AS I SAID BEFORE: You would NOT say: LORD...watch out for that pile of SH!&%T. YOU know it...I know it...and EVERYONE HERE knows it.

And THAT means it was SIN.

145 posted on 07/17/2012 6:00:48 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: fabian
my ass...jerk...ilk...do not equal sins. If they were said in resentment, or hate, yes. But they were not. You seem to know my attitude just by the written word which actually all have imparted my strongly held beliefs.

You forgot BS and Sh&4!t. So...you would have typed all of that...THE SAME EXACT WORDS with Christ looking over your shoulder? Yes or No?

You would type all of those SAME phrases with Christ sitting next to you and not alter ONE word. The whole time you were typing...it was like Christ typing through you?

If you did something that you would be ashamed of...would that be sin? Yes or no.

146 posted on 07/17/2012 6:06:42 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: fabian
Obviously Paul was not yet saved....and i am rather appalled at the misapplication of certain scriptures to justify weakness...

You sit here and type that an Apostle of the living God (Romans 1:1, 1 Cor 9:2; Galatians 1:1; Titus 1:1...these are the PRE-Roman and Roman writing of Paul calling himself an Apostle) is not saved...and talk about MISAPPLICATION of scripture?

I have been a follower of Jesus Christ for 32 years and a minister for almost 20. I have NEVER seen ANYONE misapply scripture to this degree (I'm talking about you)...and I've dealt with every denomination and flaky cult.

You are the FIRST to have ever said that the Apostle of God wasn't saved when he wrote at least 7 books of the New Testament.

Our time here is DONE...DONE...DONE. I pray God causes the scales to fall from your eyes. If that is YOU on the youtube channel...I pray you have NO ONE fall into your heresy.

You cannot reconcile an unsaved individual penning scripture...since scripture is AUTHORED by Holy Men of God being moved by the Holy Spirit.

PERIOD.

147 posted on 07/17/2012 6:47:03 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111

You have your faith and it is in the bible..not really God. You are like a legalist , dry and without life. And you do not know me...you cannot in your frame of mind now. God bless...you do need it!


148 posted on 07/17/2012 8:21:48 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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You have your faith and it is in the bible..not really God. You are like a legalist , dry and without life. And you do not know me...you cannot in your frame of mind now. God bless...you do need it!

NELSON I am NOT a preacher/minister, merely a student in the WORD. But this comment reminded me of John 1:1 In the beginning (Genesis) was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. How else can any of us have faith in God/His Holy Begotten Son without the WORD?

149 posted on 07/17/2012 8:30:58 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

They were not talking about the written word...you guys are a bit dense, sorry...you are.


150 posted on 07/17/2012 8:34:35 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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