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The Aurora Murders and Demonic Possession?
http://www.patheos.com/Catholic/Aurora-Murders-Demonic-Possession-Dwight-Longenecker-07-24-2012.html ^ | July 23, 2012 | Fr. Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 07/25/2012 4:36:32 PM PDT by stfassisi

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To: Blitzcreek
I like the complexity of fact mixed with spiritual belief with articles such as this it leaves little room for anyone to argue against this.

I felt the same way when I read this.

Please pray for all effected by this evil act.

21 posted on 07/25/2012 5:39:44 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi

It occurs to me that if Holmes was indeed demon possessed (or oppressed to the point of losing his own individual will), that his behavior in the courtroom indicates that whatever evil entities had influenced him to murder his victims in that theater have now “left the building” as in “left his physical body”. They’ve accomplished their diabolical ‘mission’ which was to inflict death and destruction upon the innocent. There is no longer any reason to stick around, they will spiritually throw Holmes to the wolves, and look for new prey to gain control over and commit the same sort of violence at some future point.

Is Holmes guilty? I contend he absolutely is guilty and he will hopefully pay the highest penalty provided by the law. As for the fate of his soul?

Until he walks into the death chamber for his appointment with Mr Needle, there is always the possibility of his confessing his sins to Jesus Christ, seeking Him to come into his life and clean him up, and while that prospect might cause some to recoil in disgust, there is plenty of precedent for it, and David Berkowitz (the ‘Son of Sam’ killer) is a perfect example of Redemption for a soul that most considered lost forever.


22 posted on 07/25/2012 5:40:43 PM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Everyday people do give into evil its called sin and we are told that we all are sinners


23 posted on 07/25/2012 5:40:57 PM PDT by Blitzcreek
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To: I see my hands
>"I'm amazed atrocities are not so common that our species hasn't died out long ago."

God gave it a bath, and washed it clean a long time ago.

The next time he's gonna put it on the dry cycle with heat.


Just like in the days of Noah indeed.

24 posted on 07/25/2012 5:42:53 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: stfassisi

Thanks for the ping to this fine piece.


25 posted on 07/25/2012 5:43:09 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: mkjessup

That was a very well thought out and courageous post ,dear friend.

We can not forget what Saul did in having people killed before becoming Saint Paul


26 posted on 07/25/2012 5:45:04 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: x
Somebody does something like this, and some people say he must be crazy. Other people say he must be demonically possessed. Both ways of saying no sane, decent person would do such a thing.

I agree. And I will add that that many people with real very physical ailments like Epilepsy, ALS, Cerebral Palsy, Schizophrenia and people who suffered from strokes and other brain injuries were once “diagnosed” by the religious as being “demonically possessed”. And the sufferers of such diseases and brain injuries where once treated very miserably and inhumanely in order to get the “devil” out of them; that was until modern science and advancements in modern medicine finally prevailed and determined that they were not “possessed” by demons but suffering from very real medical illnesses.

Again, I agree with you that no sane, decent person would do such a thing. It’s a bit of conundrum – if he is really insane; is he innocent by reason of insanity or his he guilty by reason of insanity? In any case, he is guilty and he should never be allowed to see the light of freedom ever again given his severity of his crimes, whether he was insane or not when he committed them.

27 posted on 07/25/2012 5:52:47 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: stfassisi

I wish Father would NOT have written this article. It’s sensational and irresponsible IMO. Holmes’ mother has come out and said her (adopted) son is mentally ill (or she felt that he was) and that she encouraged him to seek out counselling. I do not believe an exorcist (in good standing, not to be confused with Euteneuer) would come out and speak like Father Longenecker has, so I think he as well should not have stepped up to the plate and done so. I gotta give Father a BIG thumbs down on this one.


28 posted on 07/25/2012 5:58:02 PM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: stfassisi

I have seen this happen to someone in my family. It is heartbreaking to watch. Thank you for posting.


29 posted on 07/25/2012 6:00:53 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: MD Expat in PA
And the sufferers of such diseases and brain injuries where once treated very miserably and inhumanely in order to get the “devil” out of them; that was until modern science and advancements in modern medicine finally prevailed and determined that they were not “possessed” by demons but suffering from very real medical illnesses.

Now, modern Psychology though their demonic hero's like Carl Jung and others -(who were known occultists )call homosexuals abortionists, porn addicts normal people.

If anything, I am of the opinion that modern Psychology is of the devil in many cases

30 posted on 07/25/2012 6:01:21 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: CitizenM
If he had been on meds, he would have since been going through withdrawal symptoms, and there has been no mention of that. No mention of finding any meds at his apartment, either.

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plenty of psych meds have no withdrawal symptoms.

Hippa laws would prevent drug information from being disseminated.

31 posted on 07/25/2012 6:11:03 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: mlizzy
"Holmes’ mother has come out and said her (adopted) son is mentally ill (or she felt that he was) and that she encouraged him to seek out counselling."

Where have you read this?

32 posted on 07/25/2012 6:15:42 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: MD Expat in PA

I would like to also add that Doctors who perform abortions are at the same level of evil (perhaps worse) than Holmes,yet the majority modern Psychology does nothing to condemn the abortion doctor or condemn their behavior because somehow they view their intellect of becoming a Doctor as something that makes them superior.

I have news for you. The devil is far more intelligent than you are and if you disregard this and do not properly seek the correct Spiritual protection you will open yourself to being possessed as well.

This is for you

http://www.ewtn.com/devotionals/prayers/chaplet-of-st-michael.htm


33 posted on 07/25/2012 6:17:01 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: HiTech RedNeck; stfassisi; Sherman Logan
I know little or nothing about such things, but a friend of mine says that you can spot supernatural evil by looking at the motives.

Think of all the very-understandable. natural (physical, intellectual and social) motives for evil: desire for pleasure, comfort, ease, wealth, a feeling of well-being, maintining a good reputation, or the suppression of pain, revenge on somebody who has wronged you, wild release of anger or lust, etc.

All natural and in a way understandable, though evil.

Now think of some crime in which none of these natural drives are really at the root of it. My friend says that when the evil act makes no sense in terms of natural saisfaction, that's when you know you're dealing with the demonic.

His example was that at some famed Nazi concentration camp, Allied troops were known to be within hours of coming in and occupying the place, and in those hours the camp staff (men and including women) were going around murdering as many of the remaining prisoners as they could.

It defied "rationality." It could profit them in no way. If they were "rationally" evil, they would have gotten out of there themselves, to avoid being seized by the Allied troops, or at least tidily disposing of the evidence of their own crime. But they were determined to do as much evil as they could in the hours they still had left, even though it was directly and immediately incriminatng to themselves.

Evil with no humanly explicable reason. That's -- he says --- the sign of the presence of the hellish entities.

34 posted on 07/25/2012 6:24:07 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: MD Expat in PA

Most people who consider demons to be synonomous with an uneducated perception of modern mental disorders, have probably never perceived an actual demon or if they have, they have been exposed without being reborn in Christ, spiritually dead.

Demons, or fallen angels, are very real. The are bodiless spirits who can influence the mental and spiritual domain of humans. They also can physically harm humans, although lacking bodies themselves. They are just as real as a big bully picking you up off of your feet and throwing you across a room in a fist o cuffs.

They may be spiritually perceived and they can influence as well as attack.

They might place ideas in ones thinking. They might access your memory and recall events to pose a challenge.

Psychiatrists seeking to avoid the topic, or thinking God doesn’t really exist, comfort themselves by attributing demon possession to schizophrenia or any number of academically discussed observed phenomena, attempting to place more faith in activity void of the demonic than to even admit it exists. Most simply ignore their existence, placing their faith upon their academic explanations and avoiding challenges to that ignorance.

Insufficient evidence has been provided regarding Holmes, but people do things for reasons, even if poorly thought through. I haven’t seen why he acted or thought the way he did.

The possibility of demonic possession also crossed my mind when reading of the shooting range report.

It should also be noted that just because a possessed person doesn’t always act possessed, doesn’t imply he is free of possession. This doesn’t encourage a rush to judgment, but it is more foolish to ignore their existence and actions than to recognize they do exist.


35 posted on 07/25/2012 6:31:01 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Chickensoup
One does not see a psychiatrist unless one is on meds.

That's hardly the case. Where did you come by that misapprehension of reality? Until recently, drug treatment was a rarity in psychiatry.

36 posted on 07/25/2012 6:31:52 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Another aspect of this case is his major in neuroscience. If demonically influenced or possessed, it says far more regarding his peers and the academic institution than about Holmes.


37 posted on 07/25/2012 6:33:23 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
Where have you read this?
He is being held in isolation at the Arapahoe County Jail but the continual spitting has forced authorities to cover his face while he is being moved.

It is just the latest example of Holmes' bizarre behaviour and comes as his mother revealed she feared he had been disturbed for years and was concerned about his social isolation.

Arlene Holmes, who lives in San Diego, California and was only made aware of the shootings when a reporter called her for a comment, is said to have urged her son to seek counselling.

The claim in the Washington Post about Mrs Holmes, a nurse, is the first sign that she could have averted the massacre and raises grave questions over what else she knew.

Read more: Link
38 posted on 07/25/2012 6:34:45 PM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: Chickensoup
plenty of psych meds have no withdrawal symptoms.

The term withdrawal is inappropriate here. Very few, if any, psych meds can be abruptly stopped without discontinuation syndrome occurring, including antidepressants and anxiolytic drugs.

39 posted on 07/25/2012 6:38:14 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: stfassisi

The Catholic church is first to admit that before demonic activities might even be considered, the situation must be clearly established to *not* be mental illness.

To a frightened person with no education in mental illness, it is extremely unnerving, and very easy to assign to supernatural causes.

A profound example of this is found with pernicious anemia, the inability to absorb vitamin B-12 from food. A person with this may be incoherent, violent, ranting, frothing, straightjacket material. Easy as all get out to assume demonic possession.

Yet just a shot of liquid B-12 in the arm, and you can see their whole bodies’ tense muscles relax as soon as the vitamin circulates to their area. Then they “wake up” and are entirely rational as soon as it hits their brain.

Holmes just on the surface is showing many of the signs of acute schizophrenia. One of its first active indicators is the collapse of cognitive abilities. In his case, going from straight ‘A’s to straight ‘F’s overnight.

Just by itself that is very upsetting to him, of course, but then he lost his funding, and was told to vacate his university apartment in a month. And then his girlfriend decided to leave him. Not her fault, really, he probably had a profound change to his personality.

And sitting in court, looking like he was “out of it”, may not have been acting. His jailers reported that he thought he was in a movie, in jail.

Pretty soon stuff like this starts to point a pretty big finger. Importantly, his lawyers will demand a psychiatric evaluation, and there is a possibility that he has a rapidly moving brain degeneration.

If that’s the case, he will be dead within a year or two.


40 posted on 07/25/2012 6:39:33 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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