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To: narses

No, narses, the RC church during it history banned the translation and distribution of the Bible. It punished people, some with death, for doing so. Also, reading the Bible without permission from the RC church was forbidden.

It no longer does so, and I am happy to acknowledge that. I don’t think any Catholics I know would oppose Bible reading now. But to ignore its history is wrong.

Some “defenders of the church,” so-called (a “church” that burns people for Bible publishing, preaching salvation by faith, denying the insane doctrine of indulgences, etc. is not worthy of the title) on this thread reject documentaries, especially if they air on PBS, wiki isn’t ok, biographies are false, Foxe’s Book of Martyrs is apparently all a lie, the poster at the library can’t be mentioned. . . there is no history at all that is apparently acceptable, unless it denies the gross murders perpetrated under “church” order and sanction.

Here’s from encyclopedia.com, no doubt to be dismissed as yet another impeachable source:

“Luther’s publication of three treatises in 1520 that called for revolutionary changes in late medieval German political, social, and religious life led to a papal bull excommunicating him in 1521; Luther publicly burnt the bull along with a copy of canon law and was called to the Diet of Worms for the purpose of recanting his teachings. He refused and was placed under the ban of the empire, which designated him an “outlaw” whom anyone could kill without legally committing murder.”

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Martin_Luther.aspx#2

The history of Martin Luther, good and bad, is not a matter of debate. The denial on this thread is mind boggling. When I posted the information about Martin Luther I did so for the benefit of a few who may not have been familiar with it. Not to engage with people who simply deny history because it makes them uncomfortable.

As for my mistake between Tyndale and Wycliffe I already admitted it, it was an error. It was Tyndale, who:

” After months of imprisonment and many theological disputations he was condemned in August 1536 for persistence in heresy, and in October he was strangled to death and his body publicly cremated.”

Wycliffe, rather, enjoyed his bone burning after he was dug up from his grave, a fact which one poster on this thread finds praiseworthy!

Wow, what scholarship. Find an encyclopedia and read it. I don’t care which one you use. These facts are not in dispute.


136 posted on 08/10/2012 10:14:23 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

Your puerile excuse for “scholarship” is laughable as are your errors. Sorry, but my respect for your sources is as low as, well, they deserve. You use Wikipedia as a source? Laughable. Truly laughable.


141 posted on 08/10/2012 5:00:28 PM PDT by narses
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To: Persevero

You wrote:

“No, narses, the RC church during it history banned the translation and distribution of the Bible.”

False. Show me the canon law where the Catholic Church “banned the translation and distribution of the Bible.”

“It punished people, some with death, for doing so.”

Again, false. Name the people - give me specific names. Can you? No. You might post names, but none of them will be people put to death for translating a Bible.

“Also, reading the Bible without permission from the RC church was forbidden.”

Also, completely false.

I realize there is no evidence whatsoever for your beliefs as stated above. I realize you will fail - UTTERLY - in any attempt to present a single shred of evidence for your beliefs. There is no other possible outcome. The sources are known. Most likely you have never read any of them like so many Protestant anti-Catholic sciolists before you.


144 posted on 08/10/2012 5:59:43 PM PDT by vladimir998
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