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To: RaisingCain

“bad people cut off,” there is no evidence for that.”

Of course there is. Do a word study on Karet...cut-off. ONLY bad people are cut-off. Righteous people are NEVER cut-off.

“cut-off” from the land of the living....land of the living also means Israel. This is prophetic language for being exiled. Isaiah uses a lot of poetic language in his prophecies.


94 posted on 08/13/2012 7:24:12 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: blasater1960

““bad people cut off,” there is no evidence for that.”

Of course there is. Do a word study on Karet...cut-off. ONLY bad people are cut-off. Righteous people are NEVER cut-off.

“cut-off” from the land of the living....land of the living also means Israel. This is prophetic language for being exiled. Isaiah uses a lot of poetic language in his prophecies.”


Evidence? There is no evidence for the word Karath being used for exile. It is always a “cutting off,” and when applied to humans it involves death. I can find no instance where it refers to exile. There is also no evidence that someone “cut off” is inherently bad. Where it involves someone wicked being cut off, the scripture identifies the person as wicked and then says they will be cut off. If the word implied they were wicked, why would the sentence identify them first as wicked? It’s like using the word execution in the context of criminals, though not only criminals are executed.

Jer 11:19 But I was like a lamb or an ox that is brought to the slaughter; and I knew not that they had devised devices against me, saying, Let us destroy the tree with the fruit thereof, and let us [cut him off] from the land of the living, that his name may be no more remembered.

In this case, Jeremiah uses the word “karath” to describe what his enemies want to do with him. If Karath meant something like a punishment from God for the wicked, Jeremiah would not have used it so casually for himself.

Therefore, the meaning of the word is the most obvious one. It is used in instances of cutting off branches, cutting off fruit, cutting off foreskin, making covenants, and finally cutting off people from life.

I think you should read the the scripture says, and not what you want it to say. It’s also interesting that you have not addressed this part of Daniel’s prophecy:

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

All of this, of course, is easily applicable to the Messiah. And the end of this prophecy concludes with the destruction of the Temple, even while this section promises “to finish transgression, to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity.” Maybe you can invent some Hebrew words to make it mean something different, somehow. Good luck for that.


157 posted on 08/13/2012 12:49:35 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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