Posted on 10/08/2012 6:23:49 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
They're nothing more than useful dupes; it would be sad if it weren't such a sinister pact.
This is perhaps the most asinine thing I have ever heard. It is one thing to state that the people who live in this area are not a separate nation or people from their neighbors, it is another to deny that one of the names that this area has been known as in Palestine. The term Palestine predates the Israeli/Palestinian dispute by 1500 years. It was used by Herodotus in his Histories in the 5th century B.C. It was also used by other such as Aristotle, Ovid, Pliny the Elder and Plutarch. It was even used by the Jewish writers Philo of Alexandria and Josephus. The term was used as the official name of the Roman province from A.D. 135 after the the Bar Kokhba Revolt. The fact that you do not like the use of the name does not change the fact that this is a name that has been historically attached to the region.
That area ia not Arabic.
This is plain silly. The non-Jewish population (70% of the population in 1947) is Arabic speaking.
You confuse this fact that all moslems are not Arabs but most Arabs are moslem.
I am well aware that many of the non-Jewish population is Christian and not Muslim. I never once mentioned Muslim.
Syrians, Turks, Iranis, Iraquis are moslem but not Arabs. They are not from the Arabian peninsula … The so called palistinians are a made up people.
True for the Turks but not the others. I think that you are confusing the term "arab" with "bedouin". The Arabs include more people than just the inhabitants of the Arabian peninsula. There are Arabs, mixed with the native Berber population, as far away as Morocco. There is a population from Morocco to Oman speaks Arabic, shares a common culture, and self-identify themselves as Arabs. That is good enough.
But make up your mind; the Arabic speaking non-Jewish population living between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River are either distinct from the neighboring Arabs or not. In the former case they are a separate people and should be called by the name they have given to themselves: Palestinians. In the latter case they are Arabs. Which is it?
In the end this is all semantics. They are an indigenous non-Jewish population that is not going away. This is a reality that Israel must accept, phantasies to the contrary notwithstanding.
"Anyone with more than a passing interest in the history of the “Palestinian” people has known this for a long time."
If you read the other comments, you will see the necessity of repeating this theme.
In the case of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, they welcomed jews from the 14th century onwards and in the 1700s 60% of the world's jews lived in Poland-Lithuania
There were no state sponsored pogroms
But that didn't help Poland-Lithuania which got ripped into three parts and the largest Jewish areas got incorporated in Russia and faced pogroms and then the Holocaust.
When the Jews were in Poland, it prospered, but that was because Jews were skilled in finance and in technology from Spain and Germany (where they came from) and they helped, along with the Germans, Armenians and others to vitalize the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth economy
there are Christian Arabs both in Israel, West Bank — they have been there centuries....
If you read the other comments, you will see the necessity of repeating this theme.
I agree. I wasn’t dissing the thread. I was just making a statement of fact,and a sad one - that the thread is needed.
This statement in Balfour only informs us that there is a particular parcel land that is labeled "Palestine." It does not state any recognition of either a race or nationality of people called "Palestinians."
I have in my possession materials on Palestine dating back to 1845, when there were Jews in significant numbers already there, beginning to build railroads, establish institutes, becoming agriculturists, planting vineyards and orchards, preparing to develop that barren land into fruitful fields.
At that time they were "stealing" no land, but purchasing large tracts, and there was very little trouble between the Jews and the Arabs from surrounding countries (not "Palestinians").
Of course, the more they developed throughout the nineteenth century, and as Zionism was developing into recognizable organizations during the time that Americans were engaged in our own war between the States, the powers of Islam were also planning how they could use the Jews' ingenuity to a certain point in the development of Palestine, and then reconquer the land for Mohammedanism, and drive the Jews into the sea.
Eventually, the western press turned Zionism into a dirty word. If you read Zionist organs from 1875 to 1915, you do not read of hatred against any Arab inhabitants of Palestine. You read of plans and fund raising among Jews for the industrial and agricultural development of Palestine.
There were two movements of Jews with regard to a homeland : Hirschel's idea that a Jewish homeland was needed, but that it could be anywhere on earth ; and also the (e.g.) Chovevi Zion insistence that it must be in Palestine. Neither side of that issue wrote of ridding any place, no not even Palestine, of its then current inhabitants . . . which were, by the way, not in any kind of political possession of the territory any more than they are now !
There was no Palestinian nation and there was no Palestinian nationality.
If there was any development and higher learning there (and there was), it was by the finances and finesse of Jews, not Arabs.
BFLR
Interesting Poland or Polania was viewed by Jews as a good place from the 1400s until well after the partitions in the 18th century — Po lan ya can be translated as “here God dwells” in Hebrew. yet this didn’t stop the mutilation of Poland. Well, the struggles the Poles faced from the 1700s until the 1990s includes the pain and death of the Polish Jews.
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