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Handwringing about homosexuality
Renew America ^ | Dan Popp

Posted on 12/10/2012 7:45:16 PM PST by ReformationFan

Christians are sometimes challenged as to why we so strongly oppose the normalization of homosexual behavior. After all, there are worse sins — and more imminent threats to national security.

Before I begin my answer, as I try to say whenever I write about this topic, the biblical view concerns homosexual acts — not homosexual people. The current paradigm that some are "born gay" seems to be less empirical than political. It's a weapon used to stifle discussion by intentionally confusing disapproval of a practice with hatred for a person. But even if people are born attracted to the same sex, they're still people. They are free moral agents having control of their urges. The ethical question stands.

So here's how many Christians think about this, and why we're so upset about the cultural slide toward acceptance of homosexual acts. In his letter to the Romans, Paul begins his "good news" by describing the quicksand of paganism:

... they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the

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"This sin is different because it's not only against God, it's against nature and against ourselves. Whatever remains of our humanity is screaming that this is wrong.

"From this, I find three reasons that Christians should lovingly and confidently resist the mainstreaming of homosexual acts. The first is that we want to glorify God, and any sin dishonors God. The second is that we love people and don't want to see them disgraced, much less lost eternally in hell. Finally, we understand that this issue is not merely about two consenting adults in the privacy of their bedroom. This is about God's patience with a society running out."

1 posted on 12/10/2012 7:45:24 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

I am anything but an expert on the Bible but somewhere the Apostle Paul says something like “such will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven”. He is speaking of homosexuality.

I guess it could have been one of the other Apostles but I think it was Paul.

That is actually a very strong statement.


2 posted on 12/10/2012 7:54:34 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: yarddog

It’s Paul. The passage is 1 Corinthians 6:9-11-

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:9-11&version=AMP


3 posted on 12/10/2012 8:05:30 PM PST by ReformationFan
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“After all, there are worse sins — and more imminent threats to national security.”

I have some doubts about this statement. On the latter part, it is blatantly obvious that the homosexual agenda is another facet of the international left, which has been seeking the overthrow of America since the end of WWI, so not even a secular patriot could support it. On the former, most sins have as their chief victim either the sinner or other people. God termed homosexuality an abomination precisely because it is a slap in His face- it is the same as telling Him that being created male and female, a part of His design, is wrong. Engaging in these acts, condoning them, or otherwise trying to accommodate them, is essentially an act of supreme contempt for the Supreme Being. That’s pretty much asking for eternal damnation....


4 posted on 12/10/2012 8:06:44 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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5 posted on 12/10/2012 8:08:08 PM PST by narses
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To: ReformationFan

It has seemed to me for some time that there is a great lesson about homosexuality. If a man is born with no legs, he has two choices. He can hate God for not making him normal, or he can turn to God for comfort and offer up his sufferings for the betterment of God’s peoples. The same is true for someone who is born with an unnatural love for the same sex. He or she can offer up the problem (as we all must do), by remaining chaste and offering it to God as a sacrifice for the betterment of humanity. Great blessings would rain upon those who choose the law of God.


6 posted on 12/10/2012 8:17:05 PM PST by kitkat
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To: ReformationFan
IMHO, we should have nothing to say about what two, or more, consulting adults do in private.

However when they go out of their way to flaunt their sinfulness in public, they should expect backlash.

Remember, the queers are less than 4% of the population.

7 posted on 12/10/2012 8:17:54 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: ReformationFan

Ephesians 5:11,12
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather reprove them; for it is a shame even to speak of those things done of them in secret./


8 posted on 12/10/2012 8:19:12 PM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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Consider there is individual sin and national sin. To ignore both, places this nation's blessings and protection in peril. The shove and in your face agenda of these perverts reminds me of Abraham bargaining with the Heavenly Father over how many individuals did God require to spare Sodom and Gomorrah. While we do not have a population count of Sodom and Gomorrah, some days it does seem we have a small percent of perverts and a majority of Lot's wife.

Use to be my tag line... Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.

9 posted on 12/10/2012 8:24:50 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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No one is born a murderer or a thief or perverted. That is an election of will. Now you can be born to a mental illness such as schizophrenia or phobic mania but not perverted anal sex or homosexual oral sex . These are abominations to God and are very sick humans.If your child is taught about homosexual acts in school, file charges immediately with the police in your community and sue the school district for pornographic discussions with a minor. These poor sick people need prison , not a “marriage” certificate. Can you image the child abuse of two of these sick adults in a “marriage”? Even the liberal Supreme court “justice” Roberts will annihilate this sick perversion and I can’t wait!!


10 posted on 12/10/2012 8:28:24 PM PST by willowdean
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To: yarddog

That is why liberal Christians hate Paul! They singled him out for scorn because of his rejection of sexual sin. They know better. : )


11 posted on 12/10/2012 8:32:55 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: willowdean

Even the liberal Supreme court “justice” Roberts will annihilate this sick perversion and I can’t wait!!


Hope springs eternal.


12 posted on 12/10/2012 8:34:40 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: ReformationFan

Maybe it’s an abomination precisely because it won’t shut up. Once out of the closet, it’s in everyone’s faces and on the attack. Like opening up the lions’ cages at the zoo in the interest of “liberty”. The kitties aren’t going be satisfied to stroll around admiring the neighborhood scenery.

Not much different than the ROP.


13 posted on 12/10/2012 8:36:13 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: ReformationFan

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14 posted on 12/10/2012 8:44:59 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: ReformationFan

When speakn of homosexuals, take away the religous angle and simply say, “It is not reproductive”. End of discussion.


15 posted on 12/10/2012 8:48:59 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: upchuck

They are Helbent on imposing their perverted agenda on the rest of us, the overwhelming majority - in other words, normal people. It has nothing to do with privacy, it has to do with Natural Law.


16 posted on 12/10/2012 8:58:31 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ReformationFan

No handwringing on my part. And my opposition doesn’t necessarily have to do with religion. It has to do with what the perverts themselves do... play in their poop, and prey on children. Sicko degenerates.


17 posted on 12/10/2012 9:03:34 PM PST by greene66
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To: ReformationFan

From the beginning, God created the male and female as uniquely compatible and complimentary, and only joined them in the sanctified sexual union of marriage. (Gn. 1:26,27; 2:18-24; 1Cor. 11:8-12; Eph. 5:31) All sexual relations with others outside that bond are revealed to be fornication, which is unconditionally (regardless of motive or circumstance) prohibited and condemned.

Thus pro-homosexual apologists have spent an inordinate amount of effort seeking to negate the Biblical condemnation of homosex, and to find sanction for the same, forcing sex into passages it does not belong in.

Consistent use of certain hermeneutics and logic employed by pro-homosexual apologists could also work to disallow the immutability of most any moral command (as most had “aggravating circumstances” in their establishment, and often, as with illicit sex laws, motive is irrelevant), and the Bible itself as a moral authority.

Like the harlot whose covetousness constrained her to assent to the destruction of a child rather than let her opposing claimant have it (1Ki. 3), the end result of pro-homosexual polemics is that they effectively reject the authority of the very source they seek to use for their own purposes.

Much more on this here, by God’s grace: http://peacebyjesus.tripod.com/homosex_versus_the_bible.html


18 posted on 12/10/2012 9:26:50 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: ReformationFan

Another reason I feel strongly about it is because I am against the sexual abuse of children.

I know that not all homosexuals abuse children. I know that some straights do.

However, the molestation rate is 10x higher among homosexuals. I say the RATE, not the actual incidents.

As homosexualization is normalized, abuse will become easier. Also access to children will increase as youth leaders, teachers, adoptive parents, etc., get full and free access to kids.


19 posted on 12/10/2012 9:31:50 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

““It is not reproductive”. End of discussion.”

I am afraid that can be used against marriage for the infertile or those past childbearing years.


20 posted on 12/10/2012 9:33:37 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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