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11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome
stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer

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To: HarleyD

You will have to show that Augustine taught anything close to double-predestination. In any case, Augustine did what many contraverialists do, and carried his arguments to logical conclusions that were soon rejected by a church synod. The eastern fathers, who are certainly as authoritative, did not belong to his school. Sometimes culture colors theology, and Augustine was an African ever bit as stubborn as his Donatist compatriots, whom he had to bully into submission.


301 posted on 01/07/2013 5:02:17 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: CynicalBear; NYer; Elsie

>> “ All that verbeage to get to an erroneous conclusion when all we had to do was listen to God.” <<

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And therein lies the total story of the “catholic” church, form its founding in the 4th century, to the present. An edifice of deception.


302 posted on 01/07/2013 5:06:45 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Well, John was jealous of Peter, but given that he is always Peter, or Simon Peter, and that he is the leading figure among the twelve, you have to go deep into semantics to reject the importance of Peter.


303 posted on 01/07/2013 5:07:00 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Rashputin

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1,891 posted on Friday, December 21, 2012 12:38:42 by CynicalBear


Memory loss is an early warning sign of Alzheimer's particularly when accompanied by a shrinking vocabulary and decreased word fluency, which lead to a general impoverishment of oral and written language.

304 posted on 01/07/2013 5:10:33 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Don’t confuse establishment with founding. There was a good reason for Constantine’s choosing to make Christianity the state religion: one is these reasons was its great numbers. Just look at the number of bishops at the first church council.


305 posted on 01/07/2013 5:14:04 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS; editor-surveyor
>> you have to go deep into semantics to reject the importance of Peter.<<

Not so deep.

Galatians 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. Matthew 16: “23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.”

James actually was the evident authority in the first church council gathering in Jerusalem.

Acts 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. 13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

306 posted on 01/07/2013 5:23:48 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Rashputin

If a person can’t defend with scripture they should just say it.


307 posted on 01/07/2013 5:26:28 PM PST by CynicalBear
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1,891 posted on Friday, December 21, 2012 12:38:42 by CynicalBear


Someone who cannot keep their word is by definition untrustworthy whether they, like Satan, can quote Scripture or not.

Jude 1:10 "But these men blaspheme whatever things they know not : and what things soever they naturally know, like dumb beasts, in these they are corrupted.
Jude 1:11 Woe unto them, for they have gone in the way of Cain : and after the error of Balaam they have for reward poured out themselves, and have perished in the contradiction of Core.

You remember Core, they guy who said, "Let it be enough for you, that all the multitude consisteth of holy ones, and the Lord is among them : Why lift you up yourselves above the people of the Lord ?" because he wanted to be his own priest. Remember? The guy the earth opened up and swallowed because God The Father Himself was angered by that garbage about each one being their own priest with no need for a priesthood. Well, God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

308 posted on 01/07/2013 5:38:31 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
>> Father Himself was angered by that garbage about each one being their own priest with no need for a priesthood.<<

You mean in the Old Testament when there was a hierarchy of Priesthood prior to Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross? Don’t you believe what scripture says in the New Testament?

1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

You see, when Christ died on the cross the veil was rent and the old Jewish priesthood was no longer needed because now each believer had access to the throne of God through the blood of Jesus. Jesus is now the High Priest who represents us before the Throne of God.

Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Catholics should ditch those false priests and that “vicar” or “false Christ” and realize what scripture teaches about the priesthood of all believers.

309 posted on 01/07/2013 5:58:03 PM PST by CynicalBear
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1,891 posted on Friday, December 21, 2012 12:38:42 by CynicalBear


Someone who cannot keep their word is by definition untrustworthy whether they, like Satan, can quote Scripture or not.


310 posted on 01/07/2013 5:59:34 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
Such class! Such an immense grasp of scripture! It is written.

1 Corinthians 1:18-31 18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”

20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.

22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

311 posted on 01/07/2013 6:11:08 PM PST by CynicalBear
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1,891 posted on Friday, December 21, 2012 12:38:42 by CynicalBear


Someone who cannot keep their word is by definition untrustworthy no matter how much Scripture they twist to suit their own personal inclinations and absurd notions.

312 posted on 01/07/2013 6:13:41 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: svcw

Have you read any of Pope Benedict’s writings? He’s on his third book about Jesus. I think he’s quite serious about Jesus as his Lord and Savior, as well as knowing that Jesus is the Head of the Church.


313 posted on 01/07/2013 6:22:56 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Rashputin

Well in this case we were discussing your broad brush about all non Catholics.

I am a non Catholic, but don’t fit into your box of “generating labels”

The labels are from Catholics. So far you have labeled us as non catholics (I’ll take that one) and protestants and labelers.

The broadbrush of all that are not Catholic are Protestant is a prime example.

Check out the article at the top of this thread.

Shirley you have seen that said over and over again.

The point is about being born again.

Did you see that information?

I have known Catholics that are born again!


314 posted on 01/07/2013 6:29:59 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart (The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: SuziQ

Well, no. However if you follow the thread that is not what I am reading from some posters.
Jesus the Living Christ is head of Christianity - period.


315 posted on 01/07/2013 6:35:28 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw
Amen, Christ is the head of the Church.

Beneath Christ, there are prelates, and Scripture says, , “obey your prelates”. You cannot read obey your prealates if you have none and reading that command to mean, “obey your selves” is absurd.

Regards

316 posted on 01/07/2013 6:45:21 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Iscool
"I've been led to believe that your priests while in the confessional are actually God speaking... "

It sounds like you do not believe that God often chooses imperfect, weak, and frail humans as instruments to communicate for Him.

Not one single book in the Bible (Old Testament or New Testament) was physically written by Jesus, or was even written during the years that Jesus Christ walked on this Earth in His humanity.

Do you believe that God, in God's infinite wisdom and power, chose an imperfect, weak, and frail human being to be the instrument to communicate for God by writing the "Gospel of Matthew", rather than just God physically writing it directly Himself?

Do you believe that God, in God's infinite wisdom and power, chose an imperfect, weak, and frail human being to be the instrument to communicate for God by writing the "Gospel of Mark", rather than God just physically writing it directly Himself?

Do you believe that God, in God's infinite wisdom and power, chose an imperfect, weak, and frail human being to be the instrument to communicate for God by writing the "Gospel of Luke", rather than God just physically writing it directly Himself?

Do you believe that God, in God's infinite wisdom and power, chose an imperfect, weak, and frail human being to be the instrument to communicate for God by writing the "Gospel of John", rather than God just physically writing it directly Himself?

Do you believe that God, in God's infinite wisdom and power, chose imperfect, weak, and frail human beings to be the instruments to communicate for God by writing the Epistles and all the other Books of the New Testament, rather than God just physically writing them directly Himself?

Do you believe that God, in God's infinite wisdom and power, chose imperfect, weak, and frail human beings to be the instruments to communicate for God by writing the all the Books of the Old Testament, rather than God just physically writing them directly Himself?

In other words, God could have chosen to physically write the whole Bible directly Himself, without the assistance of any human whatsoever, but instead, God chose, in God's infinite power. wisdom, and Sovereign Holy Will, to use imperfect, weak, frail human beings as instruments to communicate for God, in EVERY SINGLE Book in the Bible, both the Old Testament, and New Testament.    Not one single Book in the Bible was written without God making use of some human being, as an instrument to communicate for God by physically writing that Book (NO EXCEPTIONS).

Now, seriously, does that sound like a God who does NOT choose quite often to communicate through imperfect, weak, frail human instruments?   (Please consider that question honestly, carefully, and prayerfully in your heart (for your own sake), after all the contentious discussion is completely finished on this thread.)

317 posted on 01/07/2013 6:52:33 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("The Church is the pillar and bulwark of the truth." (1 Timothy 3:15))
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To: Rashputin

You will have to show me in the New Testament where it says obey your “prelates”.

I do not recall ever even seeing the word, so I looked it up - ah, so no.


318 posted on 01/07/2013 7:17:17 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Rashputin; svcw
Beneath Christ, there are prelates, and Scripture says, , “obey your prelates”. You cannot read obey your prealates if you have none and reading that command to mean, “obey your selves” is absurd.

Chapter and verse?

Jesus said this....

John 14:15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

John 14:23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

John 15:10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.

1 John 5:1-5 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 4 For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 5 Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

The only one we have to obey is Jesus.

319 posted on 01/07/2013 7:24:23 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Heart-Rest

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.


320 posted on 01/07/2013 7:28:01 PM PST by TaxPayer2000
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