Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer
I don't know what you are trying to accomplish by posting half truths and out of context statements, but the acts lead the reasonable person to conclude intentional deception. If one waits long enough the same old lies are dredged up and cited again with some "eureka" like excitement as though a new truth to destroy the Church has been found. The book you cited; True Spouse of Christ is an instruction book written to and for novice nuns. It was not intended for the laity as you would imply. The citation is in an extended exposition on faith, which you apparently lack.
I will pray for a conversion of your heart and an emergence of true Christian benignity.
Peace be with you
So does He take the Holy Spirit away for confessions then and only allow the RCC priests to have it available for that?
And the polemic behind it, as showed (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2975555/posts?page=1222#1222), essentially invalidates the church.
"He" is the Holy Spirit, the third ousious of the Trinity. The question you should now be asking is, does the Holy Spirit forgive sins.
Peace be with you
Well, both Rome and the LDS reject the Christian Scriptures as the supreme authority, despite these being the standard for truth in the Bible, and operate under sola ecclesia, in which they can autocratically declare themselves the one true church and cannot be wrong in any conflict when they assuredly say that are right. Scripture, history, tradition can mean whatever they say that mean in order to support them.
Thus the classic quote of Manning,
“It was the charge of the Reformers that the Catholic doctrines were not primitive, and their pretension was to revert to antiquity. But the appeal to antiquity is both a treason and a heresy. It is a treason because it rejects the Divine voice of the Church at this hour, and a heresy because it denies that voice to be Divine...
I may say in strict truth that the Church has no antiquity. It rests upon its own supernatural and perpetual consciousness.” - Most Rev. Dr. Henry Edward Cardinal Manning, Lord Archbishop of Westminster, “The Temporal Mission of the Holy Ghost: Or Reason and Revelation,” (New York: J.P. Kenedy & Sons, originally written 1865, reprinted with no date), pp. 227-228.
NO, the question you should be asking is how can any Catholic take the RCC for serious when there are blatant inconsistencies with what they teach and what scripture says. That nonsense about Catholic priests able to forgive sins when every Christian has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit already is ridiculous. Jesus told us to go “boldly before the Throne” in His name but the Catholic Church says Catholics need Mary and all sorts of intermediaries. There will be a price to pay for those who follow the RCC and it will be for eternity.
More bibliolatry. The Church accepts the author of Scripture and the Sacred Tradition as the authority (note the word root)
The Cardinal Manning citation is EXACTLY like the True Spouse of Christ citation above, partial, out of context, intended to mislead, and something that has been hashed out in this forum many times in the past. Do you all share some tickler file that triggers the reposting of the same old garbage when enough time has passed for the dust to settle?I know you fancy yourself quite the scholar, but this kind of sloppy or intentionally deceptive work would not get a passing grade in any class I have taken or taught. Let's go to instant replay and see what Cardinal manning actually said. Thew BOLD is the parts you left out. It paints a completely different picture from you you are implying.
The doctrines of the Church in all ages are primitive. It was the charge of the Reformers that the Catholic doctrines were not primitive, and their pretension was to revert to antiquity. But the appeal to antiquity is both a treason and a heresy. It is a treason because it rejects the Divine voice of the Church at this hour, and a heresy because it denies that voice to be Divine. How can we know what antiquity was except through the Church? No individual, no number of individuals can go back through eighteen hundred years to reach the doctrines of antiquity. We may say with the woman of Samaria, ‘Sir, the well is deep, and thou hast nothing to draw with.’ No individual mind now has contact with the revelation of Pentecost, except through the Church. Historical evidence and biblical criticism are human after all, and amount at most to no more than opinion, probability, human judgment, human tradition.
It is not enough that the fountain of our faith be Divine. It is necessary that the channel be divinely constituted and preserved…. The Church contains the fountain of faith in itself, and is not only the channel divinely created and sustained, but the very presence of the spring-head of the water of life, ever fresh and ever flowing in all ages of the world. I may say in strict truth that the Church has no antiquity. It rests upon its own supernatural and perpetual consciousness. Its past is present with it, for both are one to a mind which is immutable. Primitive and modern are predicates, not of truth, but of ourselves. The Church is always primitive and always modern at one and the same time; and alone can expound its own mind, as an individual can declare its own thoughts. ‘For what man knoweth the things of a man, but the spirit of a man that is in him? So the things also that are of God no man knoweth, but the Spirit of God.’ The only Divine evidence to us of what was primitive is the witness and voice of the Church at this hour.
The teachings of the Church and Scriptures are never contradictory because they both proceed from the same Sacred Deposit of Faith. When you perceive them to differ it is your understanding of one or both that is in error.
Peace be with you
Wow! That didn’t change a thing as to what daniel1212 was getting at. It only reinforced it.
Your question is...Does God forgive sin? Get caught up, HE DID 2,000 years ago for ALL! Those who believe go to GOD, not man. Fyi to all catholics - man is not a substitute for God - even though 'they' play that role in Rome for the deceived.
I know that’s what the RCC indoctrinates with but it isn’t so. Anyone who has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit will understand the error without being much of a scholar at all. Scripture clearly states that Christ is our ONLY high priest and that the veil was rent at Christ’s death which eliminated any need for what the RCC regards as priests. The pagan hierarchy, rituals and symbols of the RCC are clearly evident to anyone who wants to find truth.
Word of mouth ≠ Word of God.
No, my question I advised you to ask yourself is "Does the Holy Spirit" forgive sins. When one person of the Trinity is discussed, the Holy Spirit in this case, a narrowing of the discussion is begged. I will ask it again, does the Holy Spirit forgive sins?
Peace be with you
It's not a matter of perception. It's a mater of comparing texts and seeing the obvious differences.
Reread it.
If the Holy Spirit forgives sins, then we don't need priests.
If the Holy Spirit doesn't forgive sins, then a mere man certainly can't, so RCC priests can't.
The teachings/doctrine of Rome/RCC are man made.
God's Word is inspired by His Spirit.
Saying man and God are the same is what satan would want anyone to believe. Satan deceived many. Christians are not part of his tribe.
God said the gates of Hell will not prevail against HIS CHURCH and hasn't but that didn't stop ROME/RCC from trying.
God's WORD is The Final Authority! Now who dare argue with that? Adam/Eve did - you know another taker that learned nothing from God's Word and got suckered by evil/man? Who would ever be so proud to think/say man is equal to God by saying they are never contradictory?
When you perceive them to differ it is your understanding of one or both that is in error. Some people struggle with simple English when it does not say what they want.
The Sacred Scripture proceeded from the oral Traditions of the Apostles preserved and handed down by the Church. The Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture are but two parts of the same whole. They cannot contradict except in the interpretations and perceptions of errant and fallible humans. If you perceive them to differ the error is with you.
Peace be with you
It is Christ, acting through the priest, that forgives sins.
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