Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer
The one unifying factor is that salvation is by grace through faith in Christ, not of works so that no one can boast.
Virtually all the rest falls into the *disputable matters* category, areas where differences of opinion are allowed that do not affect ones salvation.
Romans 14:1-23 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. 2 One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. 3 Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. 4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.
7 For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11 for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” 12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
13 Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. 14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. 15 For if your brother is grieved by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love. By what you eat, do not destroy the one for whom Christ died.
16 So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. 19 So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding.
20 Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats. 21 It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble. 22 The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.
I know that the concept of disputable matters is foreign to the Catholic mind as absolute conformance to Catholic doctrine is demanded on pain of losing one's salvation, as attested to numerous decrees etc from popes and councils through the ages, but God allows for leeway in many areas.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
OOOhh. Getting personal are we?
You are correct that they have equal support from Scripture. *None* is after all equal to *none*.
You’re priceless.....
I’ve been away - FR has a Religious Moderator? No kidding?
wow...other than the last statement, which I don't think he made, all are absolutely correct, and if he shut up, you'd never learn the truth.
Really, neither have Scriptural support. The difference is that I accept Sacred Tradition.
For years. Been out of the loop for a while, eh?
Jesuit cathechism:
q: If the Holy Scriptures command one thing and the pope another contrary to it”
A: The Holy scripture must be thrown aside
Ref: Ron Livesey
1998 Understanding the New World Order: World Government and World Religion
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Understanding-New-World-Order-Government/dp/0947852263
Page 104
And you're certainly free to do so. No non-Catholic church is going to be torturing you, confiscating your property, or burning you at the stake for believing that.
However, since by your own admission, neither have any Scriptural support, anything any Catholic passes it off as truth, it will be challenged and shown to have NO Scriptural support.
So thanks for that admission and strengthening our position.
I have heard protestants say, and actually do, that remarriage after divorce was perfectly OK...
the only way a Catholic should have ever said that about Joseph and Mary would concern pre-marital sex ( the conception of Jesus)...of course even that doesn't seem to matter anymore.....
Yes and for a long time. I’ve been an FR Religion Moderator for seven years.
God's Word is His Will. He used Moses, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and PAUL. So I say thanks to the Jews as they did HIS will as they heard and obey Him. That's what made them useable.
Red herring.
But if you want to go there, can you say *annulment* aka Catholic church sanctioned divorce?
It doesn't strenthen your position. We have two unscriptural positions, one supported by 2,000 years of Sacred Tradition and one opposed by 2,000 years of Sacred Tradition. That is very telling.
They should have gotten an annulment. That would have made it OK.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
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