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To: BereanBrain
The Disciples were NOT “learned” men, for a reason. They had not been “taught” the “right” way to think.

I would suggest a more careful study of Paul's life. If you want to say "Paul was not a disciple" then perhaps a more careful study of other disciples as well. John was well known in the rabbinical community (it was he who got Peter into the inner court) and his mother was pushing for both James and John's success. Matthew was a tax collector so he must have know how to handle finances. Peter (along with James and John) ran a successful fishing business so much so that he owned a house.

Sorry but I don't buy that these disciples were just county bumpkins and neither do historians. Many of Christ's disciples were educated for their times and moderately successful just like any working stiff today. What they gave up for the cause of Christ was real and tangible.

But I would agree that they were not "taught" the "right" way to think. It is ONLY when God illuminate our eyes that we can see the truth. But God does not do this for everyone.

If you accept Sola Scriptura then there is simply no way of denying the clear teachings of Christ that some things are hidden from some people while God reveals them to others. It simply states this.

Romans 1:20 says that EVERYTHING you want to know about the Divine Nature of the Godhead, can be seen in the things God has made.

Romans 1 also states that although everything you wanted to know about God has been visible BUT even though THEY KNEW GOD THEY DID NOT HONOR HIM AS GOD OR GIVE THANKS TO HIM. So their minds become darkened. That is our nature.

This is why people who grew up and NEVER heard the name Jesus can be saved

This is a first. I suppose next you're going to tell me that good meaning Muslims who never heard about Jesus can be saved?

I believe in Sola Scriptura ...

If so then you need to remember...

And if you truly believe you don't need "professional" men instructing you, then I would suggest you recall Ezra:

Only the word of God is infallible and inerrant. While you may not want to take stock in other people's interpretations, I'd be careful to ensure that your own are not tainted. There have been many, many heretics who believed they were correctly interpreting the truth.

26 posted on 01/18/2013 6:10:30 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

Paul was the ONLY learned of the Disciples. The others were common men, fishers and such. FACT.

Jesus is the ONLY way to salvation. It’s by Him people are saved. So I suppose you can KNOW who knows and follows another person? It’s Jesus who determines who is saved, not us. Not by reading a book, or attending church, or doing good works. We should NOT JUDGE, especially the eternal things.

I wonder why Jesus never taught on the 5 points. And why the Church was “lost” until the reform....Obviously it was not, it’s just that hypercalvinist reforms measure all things by the Reformation not the Resurrection.

There is nothing wrong with studying the things of God. What is wrong is somehow creating a special set of structure other than what scripture teaches.
This was done in Jesus’ day, in the Roman Catholic Church, and the Protestant Church today.

As I stated earlier, the Disciples DID NOT attend Seminary. They didn’t speak in “Religious” terms.

As far as a Muslim being saved, he must not continue to place his faith in Islam, and listen to the General Revelation. If the man never met a Christian, God would give him all the information he needs to be saved. However, it is the PRIVILEDGE of a Christian to share his faith with such a one. We are God’s ambassadors.

One last point: Just about all the true men of God have been called Heretics and put to death. By the “Church”.

God is not interested in the corruption we have made of religion. He is interested in us, our souls and our hearts, our worship and our repentance. He is not interested in our works, or our sacrifices. They are rags to a perfect God. It is by His grace we are allowed to contribute to the Kingdom.


30 posted on 01/19/2013 4:28:07 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: HarleyD

Don’t forget the good Doctor, Luke.


34 posted on 01/19/2013 8:40:14 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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