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To: patlin
There are only 12 gates and upon them are the names of the 12 tribes of Israel. (Eph 2:11-22)

Gentiles are considered part of Israel:

And for those who simply cannot fathom that Gentiles are part of Israel, I would point out the salvation of widow Zarephath and Naaman. (Luke 4:25-27) Being a member of the 12 tribes is a matter of the heart-not a physical descendant.

As for which tribe we belong to, like everything else the 12 tribes of Israel were corrupt. God will reconstitute the 12 tribes. I don't mean to post such a long passage but it does explain it here:

How we are all graphed into the new 12 tribes of Israel I'm not sure. But if God can create the universe then I suspect it won't be difficult for Him to get us to stand is twelve lines. With our adoption comes placement into His family.
29 posted on 01/19/2013 3:59:28 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
I fully understand that we are grafted into Israel. Paul explains it very well in Eph 2 & Rm 11, so it puzzles me that the ‘church’ considers itself separate from Judah as Judah is but one tribe of Israel in which Messiah is the head of Israel, all of Jabob. (see Isa 49:1-6)

Paul also states in Eph 2:11-22 that once we confess Yeshua as Messiah, we are no longer gentiles, but fellow citizens of Israel and partakeers of ALL the covenantS of promise that were made from the beginning. We are equal heirs amd sons and daughters of the house of God.

The term ‘gentile(s)/nation(s)s’ simply means one is who not of God’s covenant, old or new, so this also puzzles me as to why the ‘church’ still considers itself Israel,other than the fact that the early church fathers were anti0semetic and hated everything Jewish because it did not fit their plan of growth for the church.

So if we are sons and daughters and are to be working on being transformed to look like the Son according to the path given through Moses, why are we taught from the ‘church’ doctrines and traditions to reject everything that defines what a son or daughter is to look like and act like?

31 posted on 01/19/2013 5:50:08 PM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: HarleyD

Another point on the grafting in.

In the account of the Exodus & Wilderness journey we see a man named Caleb chosen as the one to lead the tribe of Judah. Caleb was not of Israeli blood, his father was a Canaanite. It was Caleb’s confessing Yahweh as God as Savior and following His Ways completely that deamed Caleb worthy to be called a ‘son’ and he was only one of two (Joshua being the other) of the original millions that left Egypt who actually entered into the promised land. These two represent ‘the remnant’ of the end days.

Narrow is the gate and few find it, Many are called but few are chosen. Why? Because it is easier to look like the ‘nations’ than to be ‘set-apart’ as to stand out from all others, including ones family which Messiah twice told us would happen so we must count the cost first. Are we willing to stand in the same position as Himself and all the disciples who were killed for standing steadfast in the covenant spoken at Mt Sinai by Yeshua Messiah to Moses. (Acts 7:37-39, Heb 3:7-4:13)


32 posted on 01/19/2013 6:04:47 PM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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