[Campion]

We were saying the the JWs belong to a heterodox manmade religion which lies about Scripture (they deliberately mistranslate John 1:1 and John 8:58, for starters).

You seem to be saying that it bothers you that the Catholic church is an ancient monarchy, clearly not something founded in 19th Century America. **Guilty as charged**

The Pope is not God, and "Holy Father" is not God's name. But which is worse, to make the Pope seem a little too close to God, or to make Jesus Christ less than God?

[sasportas]

The Catholic Church is an ancient monarchy? Who then is the monarch, or king? And where is is his throne? I see one in post 110, is that it?

[MeOnTheBeach]

We were saying the the JWs belong to a heterodox manmade religion which lies about Scripture (they deliberately mistranslate John 1:1 and John 8:58, for starters).

Well I'm not going to speculate on their motivations. I don't see any difference with what the JWs have done and what the evangelicals have done in creating all these new Bible translations.

You seem to be saying that it bothers you that the Catholic church is an ancient monarchy, clearly not something founded in 19th Century America. **Guilty as charged**

What bothers me is that the history of the Catholic church doesn't measure up to it's claims of divine authorship.

The Pope is not God, and "Holy Father" is not God's name. But which is worse, to make the Pope seem a little too close to God, or to make Jesus Christ less than God?

Your words don't really make sense. "Holy Father" is most certainly a title of "God the Father".

You're right the Pope is not God, but we read in the Bible of God sitting on His throne. Then we see the Pope sitting on a high gold throne, dressed in fine clothing, and being called "Holy Father". What's wrong with this picture?

There is nothing in that picture that resembles the humble followers that Jesus commanded us to be.

Do you really believe that Jesus would ever instruct any man ever born on this earth, to sit on a high gold throne, dress in gold clothing, have people come up and kneel before him, and call himself "Holy Father"?

Would Jesus give any living man the title of "Holy" anything?

The greatest prophets to ever live; people like Moses, Abraham, Noah, Job, Paul, John the Revelator, never sat on gold thrones, and never were called "Holy" anything.

Just because people go around saying "Lord, Lord" doesn't mean they're acceptable to Jesus. Nor does it mean He has anything to do with them...