FOUR MARKS OF THE TRUE CHURCH

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[Iscool]

“The Gospels came from the Catholic Church, not the Catholic Church from the Gospels”. ~ Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen

Neither one is true...

[MeOnTheBeach]

Here's something you should be concerned about:

Luke 13:
23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,

24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

In other words, many think they are saved. Many think they can get into heaven. But the Lord is going to say to them:

25 ...Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

I don't know you...

26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

But Lord we walked with thee...We know thee...We believed in thee...

27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

..depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

The shear mountain of evidence that the Catholic Church is NOT the Church of God is insurmountable. How can you possibly try to say it is??

Here's another marker of the true Church of God:
Timothy 3:2
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;



Since the Pope is considered the "Bishop of Rome", I can assume that he will have a wife, correct?

Oh, wait they forbid their priests to marry don't they. 1 Tim 4: 1-3

[MeOnTheBeach]

"The Bible is a Catholic document. It was Catholics who decided what to put in and what to leave out."

It's not a document, it's a collection of writings. Too bad these men decided what scripture we could have and not God.

Tradition and our obedience to the the successor to St. Peter, the Pope.

Even Catholic scholars call this link dubious at best. If Linus had truly been the successor of Peter, he would have been an Apostle as Peter was. He would have had to have been equal to Peter in authority. When Peter died, John and Paul were still alive and God went to them and spoke to them. He never spoke to this guy Linus.

You have no case.

[DungeonMaster]

They sure do in New England. I have asked a couple of Catholics who have their head screwed on straight why that is true...they shrug and say "Got me..."

My Catholic neighbor is an alcoholic laid off union painter and he seldom votes at all but if he does he votes catholic. Another Catholic family we know willingly attends gay marriages and ALWAYS votes Democrat. They just hate those rich Republicans. It goes on and on.

My new term is "Low information Christians". They are turning this country into Europe.

[DungeonMaster]

That's too wide of brush you're painting with.

94 percent of blacks vote Democrat therefore my wide brush says that most blacks are Democrats. In saying that I'm also going to say that most blacks do not vote according to biblical values.

Ditto for any demographic that swings Democrat whether it be females, gays, union thugs, Catholics, Unitarians, Wiccans, etc.

The one true Church.

... of Democrats. That simply doesn't work.

[DungeonMaster]

No, the Catholic vote is still dependably pro-abortion liberal. It always will be.

It must be very frustrating to the few Catholics who adhere to a more biblical world view. They must watch Catholic Democrat politicians get a pass for the very most Godless of views while the Catholic hierarchy is concerned with pious optics.

[NKP_Vet]

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Tim Staples was your typical enthusiastic Protestant, on fire for his faith—until he met the “wrong” Marine: a Catholic man who was both willing and able to defend his faith.

How did Tim Staples, an extremely anti-Catholic man, get started on the path to Rome? What happened to cause the little boy who wanted to be a preacher just like Billy Graham to grow up and become a well-known Catholic apologetics speaker instead? How did the man Tim set out to “save” end up saving him? How can a Protestant Bible school be the place where the gift of Catholic faith is forged? Let Tim tell you his story . . .Why was Tim defending the Catholic Church during his time at Jimmy Swaggart Bible College? Find out how this school expedited the process of Tim becoming Catholic! Why did Tim feel so alone on the cusp of becoming a Catholic? The heart-breaking decision Tim had to make while on the verge of conversion.

[MeOnTheBeach]

"get started on the path to Rome?"

Here's your moment to shake the foundations of all the non-Catholic churches. All you have to do is to address the following:

1. How could Linus succeed Peter when Linus wasn't equal to Peter in authority?

2. Why did God never speak to Linus at all, but in the same time period speak to Paul and John?

3. How can Linus be the head of the Church when there was no Church organization after the death of the Apostles?

4. How can the Catholic Church be the Church of Christ when historically they do not follow the teachings of Christ?

5. When did Christ change His commandment from love thine enemy and bless him to torture thine enemy and kill him?

The true Church of Christ would have to be the true Church every day from the time of Christ till now, not just a couple days in every other century.

[NKP_Vet]

“How can the Catholic Church be the Church of Christ when historically they do not follow the teachings of Christ”.

You only know the teachings of Christ because CATHOLICS decided to tell you about them when they compiled the Bible.
The fullness of the faith is sacred scripture and sacred
tradition, something protestants can seem to grasp.

“But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written”.

~ John 21:20-25

[Iscool]

Why would one want to answer a question that blsphemes the Apostles?

I didn't blaspheme the apostles...I know none of them were queer...I was asking your and your religion's position on the matter...

[Iscool]

Excellent points...These people talk about their God given human reasoning...Where is it???

[Iscool]

You’re suggesting people ‘pay’ to listen to a testimony??? No thanks...

[BipolarBob]

The Bible is a Catholic document. “The Gospels came from the Catholic Church, not the Catholic Church from the Gospels”. ~ Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen

Eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth speaking great things Dan 7:8 And he shall speak great words against The Most High, and shall wear out the saints of The Most High, and think to change times and laws. Daniel 7:25
You (and your church) boast too much. Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them. Ez 35:13
If God can use the ass of Balaam to do His Will, then He can surely the Catholic Church also to do His Will but no glory goes to the vessel. The glory belongs to God alone. The Scripture is a message from God to us. Not the Catholics to us.

[MeOnTheBeach]

"You only know the teachings of Christ because CATHOLICS decided to tell you about them when they compiled the Bible."

What about the points I brought up previously? Are you just going to ignore them even though they are completely valid? Please address the points I brought up, thanks!

Do you realize what you just said? And it's absolutely true. We have SOME of the teaching of Christ because Catholics decided to share.

Too bad they didn't let us have all the teachings. All those writings that were passed down through the ages, gone. No... we have some.

Even though God never says anything that's trivial or anything that man should ignore. But the arrogant Bishops of the early Catholic Church decided that they alone had the power to decide what part of God's word they would allow us to have and what they would destroy.

They had no right to do this. And you want me to believe that this was a good thing?

[DungeonMaster]

Thanks for pinging me to a great response to a blasphemous statement by the RCC. Have you ever read what DeMontfort says of Mary?

[BipolarBob]

Have you ever read what DeMontfort says of Mary?

No I have not.

[Iscool]

The Scripture is a message from God to us. Not the Catholics to us.

Yet they ignore it and replace it with their traditions...

[NKP_Vet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs6qZd_xP1w

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[BipolarBob]

we are transformed by Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition, which have consistently guided us for 2000 years

God has done this same thing for over 6 thousand years.
when he said to Peter the first Pope, you’re rock and upon this rock I will build my Church

Peter was the little stone, Christ is The Rock. That Rock was Christ 1 Col 10:4
we invite you to take another look

We did. We didn't like it. How much she has glorified herself and lived deliciously Revelation 18:7

[Iscool]

it's comforting to know that some things remain consistent, true, and strong, our Catholic Faith, & Eternal Love that God has for all Creation, if you've been away from the Catholic Church, we invite you to take another look, visit Catholicscomehome.org today, ours is one Family United in Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior, we are Catholic, Welcome Home!

I take a look every day...And here's what I see...A religion with a history of torture and murder to those who wouldn't bow down to your popes...

I see a religion full of queer clergy who prey on little boys who apparently grow up to be queer clergy themselves...

Just yesterday, I read an article on the Cardinal of Great Britain, who was supposed to be in the conclave to elect a new pope...He quit his job...

His queer sexual past caught up with him...He has now resigned, yesterday...

I see a religion which not only rebels against Israel, God chosen people and sides with and supports Israel's enemies, but claims for itself the identity of the Jews and the promises God gave to Israel, and only Israel...

I see a religion which is currently embarking on a maneuver to move the so called chair of Peter to Jerusalem...

I see a religion which has man made tradition which contradict the teaching of Jesus and the apostles all thru the bible...

And at this point I am getting tired of typing but it is by no means the end of the list...

I see a religion with a leader who usurps the authority of the only Holy Father that there is...And the real one doesn't wear a dress with red shoes and a red little kids cowboy hat...

So that's a start as to why your religion has a completely zero appeal for me...